I heard that Nintendo is being pushed back to losing the case.
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Apparently this is totally normal as long as it only refines the application of the patent. Ultimately the judge decides regardless. It just seems insane to me.
ITividar
They probably failed to prove this particular one, so they made the patent more vague, so the next IP/patent lawsuit will be successful.
Narsuaq
Is that allowed? That feels like it’s not allowed.
Zaynara
i grew up on nintendo, i’ve played their games for years, a fan of mario and metroid and pokemon and zelda, but thats done, i won’t touch one of their games anymore, not even with emulators, they can go suck an egg for this shenanigans
IgotUBro
Pocketpair should just rewrite the judgment then once the case settles. /S
doglywolf
Probably to have to restart the case again right after win or lose – Again this is not about them winning – its about costing Palworld so much in time and legal fees they surrender
Pockysocks
I feel like that should just straight up invalidate the lawsuit as the subject of lawsuit no longer exists. I know it was a minor wording change but it still makes it a ‘new document’
Blubbpaule
We’re doing this post again?
“Here’s the decision that finds that those claims do not introduce any new technical matter, meaning that (to use our metaphor from further above) the modified claims are still based on what is found in the 2021 primordial patent soup”
Japanese patent law decided that these small changes don’t change the 2021 patent.
The original games fray article is also Very biased. This is not some reporting on the matter, this is an article defending pocketpair.
I too believe it’s scummy what nintendo does. But we do not need to add tons of speculation to this entire matter.
Especially now, that we have other sites just repeating what the Original Source said and adding their own spin on it.
From their crappy user experience, lazy games and legal shadiness, nintendos shittiness is breaking new records.
TheHolyPopo
I hope I’m not the only person waiting to see how this goes so I can decide if I should support Nintendo or just pirate their shit. Keep fuckin up, Nintendo, it makes my options cheaper.
Cloud_N0ne
That sort of thing should instantly end a lawsuit. It proves that they’re suing maliciously and in bad faith.
odrea
such a nintendo thing to do, and people still supporting scummy cops, shame on you people!
Ok_Monitor4492
Yup which means they might not be doing so great in the lawsuit and that pocketpair has a much better defense than they planned for.
suvlub
Video game patents are dumb. The purpose of patents is to protect investment that went into R&D. It takes no R&D to come up with ideas like “what if the player caught monsters into balls?” It’s just idea. Not an invention. It’s procedural abuse at its worst and should be banned.
zasben
“I am altering the deal, pray I don’t alter it any further.”
Dixa
The patents didn’t even exist until after palworld launched
I thought patent trolling wasn’t legal anymore.
homer_3
Nintendo is such a piece of shit company.
Emergency_Debt8583
Someone should copyright the Letter N when it’s red.
And then sue Nintendo for infringement.
garbagefiesta
Let’s all just flood the market with low effort pokemon rip offs I’m tired of this crap.
anurodhp
I have a few tech patents some that people here (and reddit) use all the time. A few questions about reporting based on my knowledge of the process in the US ( stuff is filed globally around the same time).
“All three patents were filed in 2024, after Palworld came out. ” — > they will have to show that it was invented before though.
“Rewording a patent mid-case is legal as long as it doesn’t introduce any new concepts or technical matter. ” -> i have never had a patent that wasnt reworded after talking to lawyers. engineers dont know how to write for patents.
these are the patents. of course there is no link to the primary source at IGN. An engineer didnt write these we dont do that, we have the ideas that lawyers make sure are written properly.
A game program, a game system, a game device, and a game processing method are provided that enable a player character to perform various types of actions on a field in a virtual space.
[Solution] In a first mode, the aiming direction within the virtual space is determined based on a second operation input, and based on a third operation input, the player character is caused to fire an item that affects a field character placed on a field in the virtual space in the aiming direction; in a second mode, the aiming direction is determined based on the second operation input, and based on the third operation input, the player character is caused to fire a combat character that will engage in combat in the aiming direction.
Simulating properties, behaviour or motion of objects in the game world, e.g. computing tyre load in a car race game using determination of contact between game characters or objects, e.g. to avoid collision between virtual racing cars
Computing the motion of game characters with respect to other game characters, game objects or elements of the game scene, e.g. for simulating the behaviour of a group of virtual soldiers or for path finding
ArthurHorizon54
Nintendo loves lawsuits, even against fan games…
clemunchkib
Gotta admire how relentless Nintendo is at shutting down any competition in the monster-catching genre. Meanwhile, they seem equally committed to putting out the laziest, most underwhelming Pokémon games imaginable. Love it 🙏🏻
duckwaltz0
Fuck Nintendo
SubwayGuy85
never ever buying anything nintendo ever again and i will tell everyone i know not to buy anything again. hope it was worth it
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Nintendo lawyers being shady, nothing new
Though this should be brought up in court
I heard that Nintendo is being pushed back to losing the case.
Apparently this is totally normal as long as it only refines the application of the patent. Ultimately the judge decides regardless. It just seems insane to me.
They probably failed to prove this particular one, so they made the patent more vague, so the next IP/patent lawsuit will be successful.
Is that allowed? That feels like it’s not allowed.
i grew up on nintendo, i’ve played their games for years, a fan of mario and metroid and pokemon and zelda, but thats done, i won’t touch one of their games anymore, not even with emulators, they can go suck an egg for this shenanigans
Pocketpair should just rewrite the judgment then once the case settles. /S
Probably to have to restart the case again right after win or lose – Again this is not about them winning – its about costing Palworld so much in time and legal fees they surrender
I feel like that should just straight up invalidate the lawsuit as the subject of lawsuit no longer exists. I know it was a minor wording change but it still makes it a ‘new document’
We’re doing this post again?
“Here’s the decision that finds that those claims do not introduce any new technical matter, meaning that (to use our metaphor from further above) the modified claims are still based on what is found in the 2021 primordial patent soup”
Japanese patent law decided that these small changes don’t change the 2021 patent.
The original games fray article is also Very biased. This is not some reporting on the matter, this is an article defending pocketpair.
I too believe it’s scummy what nintendo does. But we do not need to add tons of speculation to this entire matter.
Especially now, that we have other sites just repeating what the Original Source said and adding their own spin on it.
We had this entire post already [here ](https://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/1m4hz5h/comment/n44jfh8/?context=3)
From their crappy user experience, lazy games and legal shadiness, nintendos shittiness is breaking new records.
I hope I’m not the only person waiting to see how this goes so I can decide if I should support Nintendo or just pirate their shit. Keep fuckin up, Nintendo, it makes my options cheaper.
That sort of thing should instantly end a lawsuit. It proves that they’re suing maliciously and in bad faith.
such a nintendo thing to do, and people still supporting scummy cops, shame on you people!
Yup which means they might not be doing so great in the lawsuit and that pocketpair has a much better defense than they planned for.
Video game patents are dumb. The purpose of patents is to protect investment that went into R&D. It takes no R&D to come up with ideas like “what if the player caught monsters into balls?” It’s just idea. Not an invention. It’s procedural abuse at its worst and should be banned.
“I am altering the deal, pray I don’t alter it any further.”
The patents didn’t even exist until after palworld launched
I thought patent trolling wasn’t legal anymore.
Nintendo is such a piece of shit company.
Someone should copyright the Letter N when it’s red.
And then sue Nintendo for infringement.
Let’s all just flood the market with low effort pokemon rip offs I’m tired of this crap.
I have a few tech patents some that people here (and reddit) use all the time. A few questions about reporting based on my knowledge of the process in the US ( stuff is filed globally around the same time).
“All three patents were filed in 2024, after Palworld came out. ” — > they will have to show that it was invented before though.
“Rewording a patent mid-case is legal as long as it doesn’t introduce any new concepts or technical matter. ” -> i have never had a patent that wasnt reworded after talking to lawyers. engineers dont know how to write for patents.
these are the patents. of course there is no link to the primary source at IGN. An engineer didnt write these we dont do that, we have the ideas that lawyers make sure are written properly.
[https://patents.google.com/patent/JP7545191B1/en](https://patents.google.com/patent/JP7545191B1/en)
A game program, a game system, a game device, and a game processing method are provided that enable a player character to perform various types of actions on a field in a virtual space.
[Solution] In a first mode, the aiming direction within the virtual space is determined based on a second operation input, and based on a third operation input, the player character is caused to fire an item that affects a field character placed on a field in the virtual space in the aiming direction; in a second mode, the aiming direction is determined based on the second operation input, and based on the third operation input, the player character is caused to fire a combat character that will engage in combat in the aiming direction.
[https://patents.google.com/patent/JP7493117B2/en](https://patents.google.com/patent/JP7493117B2/en)
Simulating properties, behaviour or motion of objects in the game world, e.g. computing tyre load in a car race game using determination of contact between game characters or objects, e.g. to avoid collision between virtual racing cars
[https://patents.google.com/patent/JP7528390B2/en](https://patents.google.com/patent/JP7528390B2/en)
Computing the motion of game characters with respect to other game characters, game objects or elements of the game scene, e.g. for simulating the behaviour of a group of virtual soldiers or for path finding
Nintendo loves lawsuits, even against fan games…
Gotta admire how relentless Nintendo is at shutting down any competition in the monster-catching genre. Meanwhile, they seem equally committed to putting out the laziest, most underwhelming Pokémon games imaginable. Love it 🙏🏻
Fuck Nintendo
never ever buying anything nintendo ever again and i will tell everyone i know not to buy anything again. hope it was worth it