I think all legal products have a right to be sold by any marketplace that wants to.
It shouldn’t be up to the payment processors to make the decisions on what products marketplaces can host.
Especially when they have a duopoly!
EDIT: it is entirely because the duopoly is an essential piece of modern infrastructure is why it should be a common carrier and content neutral. It is a special class of business that has become indispensable as the world moved online and they are enriched by remaining a duopoly.
This deserves consideration to retain the rights of all consumers from malign interference.
Aggravating-Dot132
To be fair, the first one shouldn’t have existed in the first place
Obsessivegamer32
Another week, another piece of shit that makes life in gaming a little bit harder.
AllyITA
what happened to mass effect?
CincyBrandon
First off, “the slippery slope fallacy” is a fallacy for a reason.
Second, boycotting offensive games is a first amendment right, and no platform is obligated to host games they don’t agree with.
No Mercy is literally a rape simulator. It glorifies rape, sexual assault, and domestic violence. Perfectly reasonable for people to boycott that despicable game. And perfectly reasonable and STEAM’S first amendment right to not host it, as well as any other transaction service that refuses to be a part of it.
Dont_have_a_panda
People should know that this can be applied to ANYTHING that involves with paying with cards, not only +18 videogames
What if tomorrow Visa decides that they dont like elden ring? Deleted forever and now you cant play it anywhere
What if tomorrow master card decided that gta6 is problematic and decide to ban the thing? Tough fucking Luck i suppose that master card decided you wont play the game you have +10 years waiting for
What if tomorrow Visa and master card decides that they dont like sci-fi books? No more sci fi books for you
What oif Visa and Mastercard decides that fantasy movies are problematic? I hope you dont miss fantasy movies because that is gone as well
And that with everything, its not about +18 games anymore, is about payment processors dictating what we do with OUR MONEY, NOT THEIRS, OURS, because yeah today is some random +18 videogames on internet, tomorrow who knows?
Shinnyo
Ironically, No Mercy doesn’t deserves any mercy. It’s a foul product made by foul people.
The problem is the method to ban this product, which caught many other games that don’t deserve the nuking.
iReadit93
Bro the first one is about raping wtf do you mean slippery slope?
unholy_spirit94
I have a naive question: Why can’t we put money in steam wallet using these payment processors? Steam wallet money is not tied to a specific product so they can’t block it. We can then purchase whatever we want with steam wallet money. Then steam can credit that amount to the devs who can have a separate account which is not tied to any specific game.
IBeenLying
No mercy is genuinely one of the weirdest games ever bro
Caityface91
The first things they came for were actually Detroit Become Human and GTAV, they just sucked at PR back then and failed miserably
Otherwise, point absolutely stands.. they are celebrating this and already intending to push their puritanical, anti-lgbt and anti-sex worker agenda as far as they can
The_LastLine
Yep, and they won’t stop at the sexual stuff. They’re gonna also target stuff like Hatred, Postal, eventually get to the mainstream stuff like Doom (glorifies demons) CoD (you can get a trans flag) etc. they’re gonna cook up whatever excuse they can.
Bitter_Water5298
no mercy apologists are a stain on the gaming community
AzimuthStudiosGames
It is not right for payment processors to have any say in what a marketplace sells. Full stop.
Bullboah
This is a bit funny to me because a month or so ago, there was a post here about South Korea pressuring Steam to ban a mod that “misrepresented historical events”.
I brought up that this was a slippery slope for Steam to start censoring games and content based on how it portrays historical events, and was downvoted pretty heavily (I’m not complaining, just pointing out where the sub consensus was a month ago).
People tend to not care about censorship when it’s things they disagree with. They care about more when it’s things they find important (tits not being pixelated).
Edit: Korea not Taiwan
ibArazakii
No Mercy should be banned from steam.
SwedishFlopper
Visa is literally being braindead. Like what brand are they even trying to protect? Literally just buying anything is their brand.
Lyra_the_Star_Jockey
The original poem this is based on is about the Holocaust.
Oleandervine
Who is coming after Date Everything? That game is PG-13 at most, and really well written.
Wolfwing777
I mean i agree that the way they handled it wasn’t the optimal solution. But there is 0 defending in the first game like absolutely none. And it’s good that they went after games like that just vile shit really
Kamenev_Drang
Perhaps allowing the rich to centralise power by means of ownership was a mistake?
Sully-The-Great
Just like to add. The organisation that got these games take down supported Netflix Cuties ………..
ProfessorGluttony
I don’t think that what we can buy should be determined by the cardholding companies. That gives them an insane amount of censorship power.
What I do think is that some things shouldn’t be allowed, but that should be handled by individual platforms such as steam.
No Mercy is a fucked up concept and execution of a game that realistically shouldn’t be out there on normal platforms like steam, and I personally think it shouldn’t exist at all, but that is just me. That said, it should be those platform’s decision if they want to represent that type of product. It should not be up to the card platforms to be able to wholesale tell you that you can’t purchase porn games, period.
Lord_Brio
Okay, but no mercy is a terrible example because that game should not exist, and I will question anyone’s character who says otherwise
TheSwordLogic89
Wtf is no mercy
Karazhan
Wait, did they ban Date Everything?
Gelvid
It’s crazy how Mass Effect have like 3 different cutscenes/dialogues related to romance and one extremely mild cutscene near the end and people still talk about this game like it’s some sort of sci fi dating sim
Thestickleman
Some of the comments here are way to dramatic
Funny
CaliburX4
Anyone who says the ‘slippery slope’ is a fallacy can eat a shoe.
rmpumper
Don’t worry. The moment they fuck with multi billion publishers, it will be the end of it. All the Indy titles will come back after that.
LordJebusVII
Any game that includes sexual themes is in their crosshairs.
Any game with transgender characters is in their crosshairs.
Any game with nonheteronormative relationships is in their crosshairs.
Any game with “extreme” violence is in their crosshairs.
Any game with “non-Christian values” is in their crosshairs.
They have proven that they can have games removed from marketplaces they object with. Now we will see them push their agenda as far as they can until there is enough resistance that they can draw a new line in the sand, a new bar for what is acceptable. Then a few years later they will do it all again from a much lower ceiling.
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I think all legal products have a right to be sold by any marketplace that wants to.
It shouldn’t be up to the payment processors to make the decisions on what products marketplaces can host.
Especially when they have a duopoly!
EDIT: it is entirely because the duopoly is an essential piece of modern infrastructure is why it should be a common carrier and content neutral. It is a special class of business that has become indispensable as the world moved online and they are enriched by remaining a duopoly.
This deserves consideration to retain the rights of all consumers from malign interference.
To be fair, the first one shouldn’t have existed in the first place
Another week, another piece of shit that makes life in gaming a little bit harder.
what happened to mass effect?
First off, “the slippery slope fallacy” is a fallacy for a reason.
Second, boycotting offensive games is a first amendment right, and no platform is obligated to host games they don’t agree with.
No Mercy is literally a rape simulator. It glorifies rape, sexual assault, and domestic violence. Perfectly reasonable for people to boycott that despicable game. And perfectly reasonable and STEAM’S first amendment right to not host it, as well as any other transaction service that refuses to be a part of it.
People should know that this can be applied to ANYTHING that involves with paying with cards, not only +18 videogames
What if tomorrow Visa decides that they dont like elden ring? Deleted forever and now you cant play it anywhere
What if tomorrow master card decided that gta6 is problematic and decide to ban the thing? Tough fucking Luck i suppose that master card decided you wont play the game you have +10 years waiting for
What if tomorrow Visa and master card decides that they dont like sci-fi books? No more sci fi books for you
What oif Visa and Mastercard decides that fantasy movies are problematic? I hope you dont miss fantasy movies because that is gone as well
And that with everything, its not about +18 games anymore, is about payment processors dictating what we do with OUR MONEY, NOT THEIRS, OURS, because yeah today is some random +18 videogames on internet, tomorrow who knows?
Ironically, No Mercy doesn’t deserves any mercy. It’s a foul product made by foul people.
The problem is the method to ban this product, which caught many other games that don’t deserve the nuking.
Bro the first one is about raping wtf do you mean slippery slope?
I have a naive question: Why can’t we put money in steam wallet using these payment processors? Steam wallet money is not tied to a specific product so they can’t block it. We can then purchase whatever we want with steam wallet money. Then steam can credit that amount to the devs who can have a separate account which is not tied to any specific game.
No mercy is genuinely one of the weirdest games ever bro
The first things they came for were actually Detroit Become Human and GTAV, they just sucked at PR back then and failed miserably
Otherwise, point absolutely stands.. they are celebrating this and already intending to push their puritanical, anti-lgbt and anti-sex worker agenda as far as they can
Yep, and they won’t stop at the sexual stuff. They’re gonna also target stuff like Hatred, Postal, eventually get to the mainstream stuff like Doom (glorifies demons) CoD (you can get a trans flag) etc. they’re gonna cook up whatever excuse they can.
no mercy apologists are a stain on the gaming community
It is not right for payment processors to have any say in what a marketplace sells. Full stop.
This is a bit funny to me because a month or so ago, there was a post here about South Korea pressuring Steam to ban a mod that “misrepresented historical events”.
I brought up that this was a slippery slope for Steam to start censoring games and content based on how it portrays historical events, and was downvoted pretty heavily (I’m not complaining, just pointing out where the sub consensus was a month ago).
People tend to not care about censorship when it’s things they disagree with. They care about more when it’s things they find important (tits not being pixelated).
Edit: Korea not Taiwan
No Mercy should be banned from steam.
Visa is literally being braindead. Like what brand are they even trying to protect? Literally just buying anything is their brand.
The original poem this is based on is about the Holocaust.
Who is coming after Date Everything? That game is PG-13 at most, and really well written.
I mean i agree that the way they handled it wasn’t the optimal solution. But there is 0 defending in the first game like absolutely none. And it’s good that they went after games like that just vile shit really
Perhaps allowing the rich to centralise power by means of ownership was a mistake?
Just like to add. The organisation that got these games take down supported Netflix Cuties ………..
I don’t think that what we can buy should be determined by the cardholding companies. That gives them an insane amount of censorship power.
What I do think is that some things shouldn’t be allowed, but that should be handled by individual platforms such as steam.
No Mercy is a fucked up concept and execution of a game that realistically shouldn’t be out there on normal platforms like steam, and I personally think it shouldn’t exist at all, but that is just me. That said, it should be those platform’s decision if they want to represent that type of product. It should not be up to the card platforms to be able to wholesale tell you that you can’t purchase porn games, period.
Okay, but no mercy is a terrible example because that game should not exist, and I will question anyone’s character who says otherwise
Wtf is no mercy
Wait, did they ban Date Everything?
It’s crazy how Mass Effect have like 3 different cutscenes/dialogues related to romance and one extremely mild cutscene near the end and people still talk about this game like it’s some sort of sci fi dating sim
Some of the comments here are way to dramatic
Funny
Anyone who says the ‘slippery slope’ is a fallacy can eat a shoe.
Don’t worry. The moment they fuck with multi billion publishers, it will be the end of it. All the Indy titles will come back after that.
Any game that includes sexual themes is in their crosshairs.
Any game with transgender characters is in their crosshairs.
Any game with nonheteronormative relationships is in their crosshairs.
Any game with “extreme” violence is in their crosshairs.
Any game with “non-Christian values” is in their crosshairs.
They have proven that they can have games removed from marketplaces they object with. Now we will see them push their agenda as far as they can until there is enough resistance that they can draw a new line in the sand, a new bar for what is acceptable. Then a few years later they will do it all again from a much lower ceiling.