The highest political officials in Argentina are involved in the matter.
AleLZ
too much money involved i guess
saiik
This is getting more cringe than expected
anewborndude
Can they just fuck off already?
CaraX9
Why not before the deadline?!?! š
Performensch
denial
anger
bargaining << you are here
depression
acceptance
budda3000
Why didn’t they do all of this like 1/2/3 weeks ago
schoki560
what’s the us embassy gonna do? šš
throwaway77993344
The sub flipped on them so quickly lmao
i_like_stuff-
so they still dont have visas? seems like itās their fault if they canāt act in a timely matter
Fun_Awareness3554
It’s s surprising how much public outrage there is over a situation caused by the team’s own mismanagement. They failed to secure their visas on timeāsomething every other team managed to do. Insteead of blaming BLAST or Valve, people should be looking at the facts and holding the team accountable. This isn’t about injustice; it’s about poor planning.
EDIT: Deadlines exist for a reason this team missing them affected their own participation and put extra pressure on organizers. Itās a clear sign of poor planning. I believe they also had time since February to get this sorted?
Cool-Traffic-8357
Honestly, I have no idea what is going on lmao
derekburn
Still waiting for any proof that they have the passports in their hands… oh they are there on monday? On a bank holiday? Tuesday? So how late?? Lmao
Conscious_Run_680
too late
feelssuccman
They need to give it up the stickers are here its over
PrimeSocK
They can watch the Major in Austin now I guess
Lothric_cs
Now after they have seen the consequences of being lazy they managed to Get their Ass into the Ambassy. You cant make that shit up š¤£. You had months to do exactly this š¤¦āāļø.
Dreydars
For me its not about bureaucracy, but about qualifiers, they won, they earned this spot, so they should be there, legacy doesn’t deserve this spot
(Just fyu, I’m interested only in b8 and is neutral to bestia)
notregan
Why does everyone in the scene not want these guys to get to the major? Even if theyāve made some mistakes, itās a huge opportunity for them to be at the major and they made it off their own backs. You guys need to chill the fuck out.
AdamConwayIE
Given that Bestia was replaced at the major already, and assuming this tweet is saying that they got the visas (which it heavily implies), does that mean they misrepresented their case? Correct me if I’m wrong on any of this, but the reading of the USCIS suggests something is wrong here.
> The P-1A classification applies to you if you are coming temporarily to the United States solely for the purpose of performing at a specific athletic competition as:
> * An individual athlete at an internationally recognized level of performance;
> * Part of a group or team at an internationally recognized level of performance;
> * A professional athlete; or
> * An athlete or coach, as part of a team or franchise that is located in the United States and a member of a foreign league or association.
This looks even worse when you read the HLTV article, too.
> Just hours before the deadline, at 13:20 CEST, BESTIA communicated to BLAST that they thought “it would be likely that they’d expect to obtain visas on Monday 26 or Tuesday 27 with emergency interviews on Thursday, May 22 and Friday, May 23,” according to the TO. “However, these appear to be visa appointments, not confirmed visas and fall short of the requirements we communicated.”
This whole thing just seems wild, and I can’t see how the visa would have been approved if a competition invitation was revoked, per the above links. It specifically notes that even during the process waiting for approval any change in circumstance needs to be notified to USCIS. Saying “our invitation has been withdrawn” to USCIS seems pretty clearcut in the outcome.
Given the close timing of everything, this could also just be a massive grey area, but I’m curious about what went on that the approval process suddenly accelerated so much even though the visas were approved after the deadline.
azalea_k
Right or wrong, this is like going to work for the first day, when someone else got offered the job.
joacoper
i dont dislike them at all, i wish they could play, but its over bro… the stickers are out, the pickems are out, its over.
Merquette
I wonder how this would have all unfolded if no replacement was chosen and bestia just forfeited their matches. It’s not like there was going to be tickets sold for a live event
zoidemos
I’d suggest a compromise – Have both Bestia and Legacy come, then have them play a bo3 the day before official matches start to see who plays in the tournament.
The better team still earns their right/gets to play and the losing team can at least have a shot/enjoy being at the major spectating and rooting for their fellow countrymen.
sleepyhead260
Why doesn’t Legacy split half the sticker money with Bestia? Or maybe 40/60 or something since Legacy has travel costs etc.
Doesn’t make it perfect but it is at least a win-win, Bestia still got something and Legacy wouldn’t be here without Bestia’s unfortunate
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The highest political officials in Argentina are involved in the matter.
too much money involved i guess
This is getting more cringe than expected
Can they just fuck off already?
Why not before the deadline?!?! š
denial
anger
bargaining << you are here
depression
acceptance
Why didn’t they do all of this like 1/2/3 weeks ago
what’s the us embassy gonna do? šš
The sub flipped on them so quickly lmao
so they still dont have visas? seems like itās their fault if they canāt act in a timely matter
It’s s surprising how much public outrage there is over a situation caused by the team’s own mismanagement. They failed to secure their visas on timeāsomething every other team managed to do. Insteead of blaming BLAST or Valve, people should be looking at the facts and holding the team accountable. This isn’t about injustice; it’s about poor planning.
EDIT: Deadlines exist for a reason this team missing them affected their own participation and put extra pressure on organizers. Itās a clear sign of poor planning. I believe they also had time since February to get this sorted?
Honestly, I have no idea what is going on lmao
Still waiting for any proof that they have the passports in their hands… oh they are there on monday? On a bank holiday? Tuesday? So how late?? Lmao
too late
They need to give it up the stickers are here its over
They can watch the Major in Austin now I guess
Now after they have seen the consequences of being lazy they managed to Get their Ass into the Ambassy. You cant make that shit up š¤£. You had months to do exactly this š¤¦āāļø.
For me its not about bureaucracy, but about qualifiers, they won, they earned this spot, so they should be there, legacy doesn’t deserve this spot
(Just fyu, I’m interested only in b8 and is neutral to bestia)
Why does everyone in the scene not want these guys to get to the major? Even if theyāve made some mistakes, itās a huge opportunity for them to be at the major and they made it off their own backs. You guys need to chill the fuck out.
Given that Bestia was replaced at the major already, and assuming this tweet is saying that they got the visas (which it heavily implies), does that mean they misrepresented their case? Correct me if I’m wrong on any of this, but the reading of the USCIS suggests something is wrong here.
A P-1A visa (which appears to be what the players are getting) is [as follows](https://www.uscis.gov/working-in-the-united-states/temporary-workers/p-1a-athlete):
> The P-1A classification applies to you if you are coming temporarily to the United States solely for the purpose of performing at a specific athletic competition as:
> * An individual athlete at an internationally recognized level of performance;
> * Part of a group or team at an internationally recognized level of performance;
> * A professional athlete; or
> * An athlete or coach, as part of a team or franchise that is located in the United States and a member of a foreign league or association.
Garfinkel law firm elaborates on this further, and it definitely sounds like you would need to have [an active invite](https://www.garfinkelimmigration.com/2024/08/13/explaining-the-p-1a-nonimmigrant-visa-for-athletes/) to get approved for the visa, especially for a smaller team. The original petition for the visa would be invalid on account of the withdrawal of the invitation.
This seems to be supported by the “revocation of approval of petition” clause in 8 CFR 214.2 [relating to a P-1A visa](https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/8/214.2#:~:text=The%20petitioner%20shall%20immediately%20notify%20the%20Service%20of%20any%20changes%20in%20the%20terms%20and%20conditions%20of%20employment%20of%20a%20beneficiary%20which%20may%20affect%20eligibility%20under%20section%20101(a)(15)(P)).
This looks even worse when you read the HLTV article, too.
> Just hours before the deadline, at 13:20 CEST, BESTIA communicated to BLAST that they thought “it would be likely that they’d expect to obtain visas on Monday 26 or Tuesday 27 with emergency interviews on Thursday, May 22 and Friday, May 23,” according to the TO. “However, these appear to be visa appointments, not confirmed visas and fall short of the requirements we communicated.”
This whole thing just seems wild, and I can’t see how the visa would have been approved if a competition invitation was revoked, per the above links. It specifically notes that even during the process waiting for approval any change in circumstance needs to be notified to USCIS. Saying “our invitation has been withdrawn” to USCIS seems pretty clearcut in the outcome.
Given the close timing of everything, this could also just be a massive grey area, but I’m curious about what went on that the approval process suddenly accelerated so much even though the visas were approved after the deadline.
Right or wrong, this is like going to work for the first day, when someone else got offered the job.
i dont dislike them at all, i wish they could play, but its over bro… the stickers are out, the pickems are out, its over.
I wonder how this would have all unfolded if no replacement was chosen and bestia just forfeited their matches. It’s not like there was going to be tickets sold for a live event
I’d suggest a compromise – Have both Bestia and Legacy come, then have them play a bo3 the day before official matches start to see who plays in the tournament.
The better team still earns their right/gets to play and the losing team can at least have a shot/enjoy being at the major spectating and rooting for their fellow countrymen.
Why doesn’t Legacy split half the sticker money with Bestia? Or maybe 40/60 or something since Legacy has travel costs etc.
Doesn’t make it perfect but it is at least a win-win, Bestia still got something and Legacy wouldn’t be here without Bestia’s unfortunate