It’s a good thing we got that patch yesterday with all of the vac and server updates and not meaningless weekly quests /s
Iagreetoreceiveemail
Rare thorin W
TheN1njTurtl3
it is honestly such a joke what they have been doing lately, can’t fix a major format for god knows how long, won’t focus or fix optimization and general gameplay things but “here you go guys here’s a armory update and new skins and look guys we even added missions” that no one asked for.
Would be nice if they focused on the actual game more than random skin drops
Papashteve
Zero gameplay improvements. CT Molly’s are still absolutely useless, no player model animation fixes, visual and audio delay tweaks. What is going on man.
Edit – also, why does valve keep removing community maps from the game? Why not have a group of 5 or 6 community maps constantly in rotation for casual game modes? God forbid Valve would have to pay the only people actually making playable content a cut of the billion dollars they make from gambling. Instead we get a tiny 3 map pool that will be stale in a month. Incredible
Internal_Dealer8445
only pray that Gabe will come back from NZ soon
AkhilxNair
Community waiting for Valve to push a good update.
Valve waiting for community to make skins and maps so they can push it.
ju1ze
Common Thorin W
prime075
Meanwhile Valve: “Forget that, Here we are adding new case and Skins. Gamble away”
criscoras
Ah, the yearly Thorin W. I’ll see you guys again in 2026?
PREDDlT0R
– No effective anticheat
– No 128 tick servers, stuck with laggy ‘sub-tick’ (64 tick 2.0)
– No community server support (entire communities destroyed like Surf and KZ)
– No cl_bob
– No optimisation
– No fixed movement animations
– No fixed hit sound delay
– No modder support (classic offensive devs wasted 8 years of their life)
– No more changes to Train (it still sucks)
Am I missing any?
Pale_Fire21
Valve hasn’t done the flat structure in over a decade, they had to abandon it to force developers to work on Alyx.
Turns out when you let people do whatever vibes tell them too they tend to do fuck all or break off into 101 worthless little projects.
The point I’m making is Valve choose to coast with CS2 because why wouldn’t they? It prints money and requires little to no work. Case openings, skin value and player count are at an all time high.
As long as it continues to print obscene amounts of money with basically no up keep Valve has no incentive to work on it
Tl;dr if you want actual updates stop giving Valve money.
plO_Olo
The responsiveness for this game is so bad.
– Everything feels delayed
– Blood splats (can’t see it half the time)
– Kill feed (delayed af)
– Armor punch on armor (why is this a thing and might be causing issues due to subtick)
– Headshot animation (its 2025 get that shit outta the game)
throwaway77993344
I’m honestly speechless at how little effort they put into the game. Maybe they’re working on something huge and this is unfair, but until it’s here I’m gonna complain about updates that consist of 99% communitу effort and 1% allocated to making as much money as possible
MindlessStandard2486
Why did they even bother making cs2 to basically abandon it 2 years later?
I guess you only know how much something matter when you lose it…
SproutEsports
Bro, imagine being a running Esports org with the game’s current state
Fun_Philosopher_2535
**Can we get a beta participation update without subtick, running on base 64 tick, just to see how it plays in comparison?**
A lot of people claim that subtick has nothing to do with the issues players are experiencing, but the popularity of desubticking shows otherwise. The movement becomes instantly more consistent and—every KZ, bhop, and movement player uses it for a reason. Isn’t that clear evidence that subtick negatively affects movement and make it worse ?
We don’t even know how desubticking would affect shooting. Could it make spraying feel like CS:GO again? Could it reduce CS2’s “sticky” mouse movement? Who knows?
**At the very least, let us try it.**
That would clear up subtick blame atleast if just 64 tick cs2 doesnt feel any better no ?
KaNesDeath
And here comes the reactionary bait content from the usual suspects.
mcmiller1111
Can’t believe I’m agreeing with Thorin
Merquette
Any major updates to the game have to happen after the major. The one thing they don’t want to do – is mess up their profits. You can say speculation, but it makes the most sense
The pro scene is a blessing and a curse, as we have tournaments set years out. That in a way, is their road map for updates.
They won’t shake anything up close too close to a major event as it would have implications on what is shown. I hate it and want big updates, but the odds aren’t in our favor. This game prints money for them
nyotao
valve flat structure critique in 2025… is thorin living under a rock?
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release cl_bob from jail!
It’s a good thing we got that patch yesterday with all of the vac and server updates and not meaningless weekly quests /s
Rare thorin W
it is honestly such a joke what they have been doing lately, can’t fix a major format for god knows how long, won’t focus or fix optimization and general gameplay things but “here you go guys here’s a armory update and new skins and look guys we even added missions” that no one asked for.
Would be nice if they focused on the actual game more than random skin drops
Zero gameplay improvements. CT Molly’s are still absolutely useless, no player model animation fixes, visual and audio delay tweaks. What is going on man.
Edit – also, why does valve keep removing community maps from the game? Why not have a group of 5 or 6 community maps constantly in rotation for casual game modes? God forbid Valve would have to pay the only people actually making playable content a cut of the billion dollars they make from gambling. Instead we get a tiny 3 map pool that will be stale in a month. Incredible
only pray that Gabe will come back from NZ soon
Community waiting for Valve to push a good update.
Valve waiting for community to make skins and maps so they can push it.
Common Thorin W
Meanwhile Valve: “Forget that, Here we are adding new case and Skins. Gamble away”
Ah, the yearly Thorin W. I’ll see you guys again in 2026?
– No effective anticheat
– No 128 tick servers, stuck with laggy ‘sub-tick’ (64 tick 2.0)
– No community server support (entire communities destroyed like Surf and KZ)
– No cl_bob
– No optimisation
– No fixed movement animations
– No fixed hit sound delay
– No modder support (classic offensive devs wasted 8 years of their life)
– No more changes to Train (it still sucks)
Am I missing any?
Valve hasn’t done the flat structure in over a decade, they had to abandon it to force developers to work on Alyx.
Turns out when you let people do whatever vibes tell them too they tend to do fuck all or break off into 101 worthless little projects.
The point I’m making is Valve choose to coast with CS2 because why wouldn’t they? It prints money and requires little to no work. Case openings, skin value and player count are at an all time high.
As long as it continues to print obscene amounts of money with basically no up keep Valve has no incentive to work on it
Tl;dr if you want actual updates stop giving Valve money.
The responsiveness for this game is so bad.
– Everything feels delayed
– Blood splats (can’t see it half the time)
– Kill feed (delayed af)
– Armor punch on armor (why is this a thing and might be causing issues due to subtick)
– Headshot animation (its 2025 get that shit outta the game)
I’m honestly speechless at how little effort they put into the game. Maybe they’re working on something huge and this is unfair, but until it’s here I’m gonna complain about updates that consist of 99% communitу effort and 1% allocated to making as much money as possible
Why did they even bother making cs2 to basically abandon it 2 years later?
I guess you only know how much something matter when you lose it…
Bro, imagine being a running Esports org with the game’s current state
**Can we get a beta participation update without subtick, running on base 64 tick, just to see how it plays in comparison?**
A lot of people claim that subtick has nothing to do with the issues players are experiencing, but the popularity of desubticking shows otherwise. The movement becomes instantly more consistent and—every KZ, bhop, and movement player uses it for a reason. Isn’t that clear evidence that subtick negatively affects movement and make it worse ?
We don’t even know how desubticking would affect shooting. Could it make spraying feel like CS:GO again? Could it reduce CS2’s “sticky” mouse movement? Who knows?
**At the very least, let us try it.**
That would clear up subtick blame atleast if just 64 tick cs2 doesnt feel any better no ?
And here comes the reactionary bait content from the usual suspects.
Can’t believe I’m agreeing with Thorin
Any major updates to the game have to happen after the major. The one thing they don’t want to do – is mess up their profits. You can say speculation, but it makes the most sense
The pro scene is a blessing and a curse, as we have tournaments set years out. That in a way, is their road map for updates.
They won’t shake anything up close too close to a major event as it would have implications on what is shown. I hate it and want big updates, but the odds aren’t in our favor. This game prints money for them
valve flat structure critique in 2025… is thorin living under a rock?