With them missing the Melbourne playoffs I think it's time to open the discussion.
Individual performance aside, it feels like there's something fundamentally wrong here. There's something different in their comms. It's like they're missing a lot of proactive 'micro' calls (though I can't put my fingers on it).
I've linked Faze, Mouz, and Vitality's CT-side comms against the same opponent. Have a listen.
Faze: https://youtu.be/RTbV9WRQnPk?si=cjn3KERr9STN_fZ8&t=862
Mouz: https://youtu.be/ZNPSQNOdMEE?si=KzqKYsS_QZR-Shz4&t=423
Vitality: https://youtu.be/rsi3X0JQ8So?si=XwnasYa32rA8n4gs&t=410
What do you think is wrong?
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shit AWPer, unironically no firepower, no synergy, shit vibes, and roles are fucked.
shit vibes
i think the whole faze project was held together by insane synergy and trust in 2024.
now that is gone with elige the new guy coming in and it just sucks.
oh well and the roles are ass.
and a guy like ropz who puts up star numbers while playing shit like anubis A, nuke ramp, Inferno apps is just insanely hard to replace. there is no one like him.
bringing elige in, is fine but only if you do 2 changes
I’ve said this before and I am going to say this again. Sure, it’s a broky issue which brings a lot of inconsistency. But it cannot be understated how having a big voice can be a problem in this team. If you have a superstar who likes to secondary call, and has a big voice, it will duck up the synergy. In down times, it might take away the team’s confidence away.
The latest news was that the team was losing its confidence in karrigan, which I sincerely hope is false. Now, ELiGE is a nice chap, no doubts about that. I don’t want to insinuate that he wants to drive karrigan out of his own team. But this lack of chemistry and plenty of dumb decisions wasn’t even this bad last year. Last year was effed up basically because ropz wasn’t in form.
karrigan losing his voice in the team, last time happened when NiKo started taking the reigns. It drove karrigan out, and he got success with MOUZ and then FaZe where even the superstar players respected him and looked up to him. They didn’t want to change his system. ELiGE almost from the beginning, wanted to bring these small changes in communication etc., which might be an indication that he doesn’t fully buy into karrigan’s system. You need just one such discord and the damage can be huge.
End of the day, FaZe picked up the best option available, but maybe not the best fit chemistry wise. Superstar rifler for another superstar rifler makes sense, and ELiGE would have made them more agressive too, he would have opened a whole half of their game. This not happening to me, is not just rooted in broky’s inconsistency, because he was inconsistent the previous year too, and they had far more many top finishes.
Mismanagement then lack of team chemistry which leads to team struggle. On paper the players in faze can give some top tier team hard time even when they are not performing, but with no chemistry you just can’t win, and they second guess themselves too much in some situation.
Maybe unpopular but the Faze squad peaked when the other teams were developing. They were obviously a top 10 team but they benefited from a lower overall competitive scene.
Peak Faze doesn’t look nearly as polished as the current Spirit, Vitality, or Mouz.
Toss in good competitors like Aurora, Mongolz, and now Falcons and it’s easy to see why this Faze iteration is failing. And then they lost their best player by far.
Elige took Rains high impact map positions. Rest of Faze roster took a more passive role to increase Eliges impact. Which is hurting everyones individual and round impact performance.
Karrigan needs to give Rain back his positions and open up the rest of the roster to make plays. Relying on Elige sporadically through the course of a map.
Faze have many issues, last year was the last year they scrapped together playoff appearances somehow while looking shit, that was never sustainable and people will blame Elige, even ropz himself knew hence why he jumped shit and why they wanted changes
They have an IGL who is good but armless, rain who has so many fanboys and people think he’s a god but he is so inconsistent and 0.97 rated player vs good teams in the past year, a broky who is bad but yet people blame Elige
That team was cooked from last year, the major runner up clouded peoples minds, they beat two dead teams who were only big in names and in awful form in Vitality/G2
You know people are actually brain dead when someone like frozen who is actually very good gets more hate than other players in the team, frozen was great last year and still got way more hate than rain
I think that losing the Shanghai final and ropz within a few weeks broke Karrigan, Frozen, Rain and Broky. They just haven’t been playing the same since.
in short: -ropz
its really not as simple as just the elige transfer being bad, karrigan has been his usual self (cant frag), rain is incredibly average outside the occasional masterclass match, broky is washed. They were awful for a large majority of last year and had a crazy run at the major that bought an already finished roster more time.
1. They are losing 12-3 and in an ECO 2. Mouz comms are irritating to listen to because of torzsi screaming the same info for 10 minutes. 3.vitality is number one team not because of their communication
Ropz left…. Huge void to fill
Their going through what the prime astralis roster went through
After device left the team just shat themselves and imploded on itself
Similar case for faze, twistzz left and then Broky started performing poor compared to his prime time back in 2022-24
The FaZe roster had solid players but they have shit synergy and it’ll probably take longer to form anything near the old synergy they had before the twistzz transfer, they might go through roster changes that could potentially
Losing twistzz was the start of the decline and then losing ropz was kinda the final nail in the coffin
Ropz value goes way beyond his stats, he gets so much valuable info for his team.
I think losing him was a massive blow (obviously)
Elige is great, but you just can’t replace ropz
Faze is done since -Twistzz +frozen….. never the same consistency and high peaks ever again.
what are the chances of elige returning to liquid?
They should not have let twistzz go. All things went to shit for both parties when twistz left