restart and shutdown are not the same thing… so to actually update windows you need a restart. Shutting down only book marks the last known config so it can come back to it faster on power up.
GDog507
It’s Windows, nothing makes sense on it anymore. At this point MS would be better off completely scrapping the entire operating system and starting over from the beginning, hiring people that are at least half-competent than whoever they hired to create the train wreck of Windows 11. It’s just beyond me how they can see such a broken OS, see how it completely ignores user instructions, and be like “yep that’s good”
AlkaKr
Run > `shutdown -s -t 0` has never failed me. Made it a shortcut and use this for shutting it down and `shutdown -r -t 0` for restart.
Blitzsturm
Window’s tendency to ignore the desires of it’s users in favor of whatever the fuck it wants to do is in part why I’ve moved to use [Kubuntu](https://kubuntu.org/) my use of a steam deck and KDE’s Plasma along with Proton is all I needed to give me the confidence I don’t didn’t it… for most things. Still have Windows on in it’s place when it’s needed.
ElPomidor
It performs restart because it’s required to complete the update. On Windows 10/11, shutdown uses Fast Startup setting by default, which behaves more like hibernate than a full shutdown.
A regular restart, on the other hand, actually does a full shutdown and startup.
So, when you select Update and Shutdown, Windows first performs a restart to finish the update, then shuts down the PC. If a full restart isn’t necessary, it’ll just shut down and apply the rest on the next startup.
TomAto42nd
I’m glad I’m on Linux as it’s an option but can lead to updates to be larger in size. Still much faster to update it than on Windows
Ok-Awareness4778
Do you want to update or shutdown? You can’t do both. To update you must restart.
But yes I agree it’s annoying.
cheapcologne
Maybe I’m wrong, so correct me if i am: but don’t all OS’s require updates and periodic reboots for patching? The default IT fix is to reboot when you have an issue. Do people never turn their computers off or run updates? From my time in IT it’s generally understood that you need to run updates and reboot every once in a while. Does linux not require updates or reboots?
Jekros
Yup. Then after the long update and the PC reboots… gives you a blue screen of death.
PC: Wait, let me reroll and undo everything that I did… there you go, you can continue what you were doing.
scarlet_igniz
group policy disable windows update you’re welcome
vector_o
The entire fucking behaviour around powering on and off is such a pile of garbage
I’ll leave my laptop ON at my desk. After 30 minutes the screen turns off, some time later it shuts down…then 15 minutes later it powers ON, fans blasting at full throttle
The behaviour around closing the lid is a dice roll at best
The “automatically hiding” taskbar is the buggiest piece of shit I’ve ever used
Electronic_Plant_285
This is why I moved to Fedora on my laptop. For my gaming pc, I just have Windows with all the crap ripped out.
Objective_Lobster734
I don’t get the issue here. It reboots to install system files that it can’t update when Windows is running. It reboots the shuts down after. What’s the problem?
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restart and shutdown are not the same thing… so to actually update windows you need a restart. Shutting down only book marks the last known config so it can come back to it faster on power up.
It’s Windows, nothing makes sense on it anymore. At this point MS would be better off completely scrapping the entire operating system and starting over from the beginning, hiring people that are at least half-competent than whoever they hired to create the train wreck of Windows 11. It’s just beyond me how they can see such a broken OS, see how it completely ignores user instructions, and be like “yep that’s good”
Run > `shutdown -s -t 0` has never failed me. Made it a shortcut and use this for shutting it down and `shutdown -r -t 0` for restart.
Window’s tendency to ignore the desires of it’s users in favor of whatever the fuck it wants to do is in part why I’ve moved to use [Kubuntu](https://kubuntu.org/) my use of a steam deck and KDE’s Plasma along with Proton is all I needed to give me the confidence I don’t didn’t it… for most things. Still have Windows on in it’s place when it’s needed.
It performs restart because it’s required to complete the update. On Windows 10/11, shutdown uses Fast Startup setting by default, which behaves more like hibernate than a full shutdown.
A regular restart, on the other hand, actually does a full shutdown and startup.
So, when you select Update and Shutdown, Windows first performs a restart to finish the update, then shuts down the PC. If a full restart isn’t necessary, it’ll just shut down and apply the rest on the next startup.
I’m glad I’m on Linux as it’s an option but can lead to updates to be larger in size. Still much faster to update it than on Windows
Do you want to update or shutdown? You can’t do both. To update you must restart.
But yes I agree it’s annoying.
Maybe I’m wrong, so correct me if i am: but don’t all OS’s require updates and periodic reboots for patching? The default IT fix is to reboot when you have an issue. Do people never turn their computers off or run updates? From my time in IT it’s generally understood that you need to run updates and reboot every once in a while. Does linux not require updates or reboots?
Yup. Then after the long update and the PC reboots… gives you a blue screen of death.
PC: Wait, let me reroll and undo everything that I did… there you go, you can continue what you were doing.
group policy disable windows update you’re welcome
The entire fucking behaviour around powering on and off is such a pile of garbage
I’ll leave my laptop ON at my desk. After 30 minutes the screen turns off, some time later it shuts down…then 15 minutes later it powers ON, fans blasting at full throttle
The behaviour around closing the lid is a dice roll at best
The “automatically hiding” taskbar is the buggiest piece of shit I’ve ever used
This is why I moved to Fedora on my laptop. For my gaming pc, I just have Windows with all the crap ripped out.
I don’t get the issue here. It reboots to install system files that it can’t update when Windows is running. It reboots the shuts down after. What’s the problem?