While CS2 gameplay still doesn’t feel as smooth as CS:GO, it’s helpful if we can simply provide raw feedback without speculating on the cause (e.g., blaming subtick).
While CS2 gameplay still doesn’t feel as smooth as CS:GO, it’s helpful if we can simply provide raw feedback without speculating on the cause (e.g., blaming subtick).
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That said, I’m sure Valve knows how to parse such feedback from community. They likely do not mind the **diagnosis** the player is offering (subtick bad), but focus on the **symptom** they’re experiencing (inconsistent/poor gameplay compared to CSGO, etc.).
I agree with @ rattecs in that you can’t expect common gamers to know technical side of things, all they know is that their experience is suboptimal. But again, us laymen should refrain from diagnosing the issue as if we knew better.
But the devs are not painting a good image when most of the things that they update/communicate nowadays are just skins or community content.
edit: improved phrasing
edit: typo
[Preach it brother](https://www.reddit.com/r/GlobalOffensive/comments/1fvxkry/youtube_video_saying_subtick_is_not_the_problem/lqb317v/)
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Nobody knows coding like game makes and cs players ain’t that
Whenever the player with bad internet has the advantage but not the other way around – is shitty
How many years will it take to fix this problem?
Yeah that last anti subtick post was so bad and innaccurate it is amazing. And then trying to make it sound like an expert analysis. Crazy.
Unban poggu
i dont think subtick was ever the big issue people made it out to be, it was just people who dont understand the system blaming it for things it wasnt responsible for (and still is). there was obviously problems with it at the start but like 95% of those problems have been fixed. the main issue is networking which is separate from subtick
the game is almost 2 years old there’s almost infinite feedback to see the inconsistencies, yeah subtick is an easy way out to blame the game but it’s not like valve has nothing to work on improving the game
who would i trust more on how networking works, Valve or random redditors? that’s a tough one, i will have to think
I mean, what more needs to be said? Sure, people might be attributing issues incorrectly to Subtick, but even so the issues themselves are pretty clear:
– Peeker’s advantage is stronger. I don’t care what’s causing it, you simply cannot deny this. Holding angles is so much worse that the meta has shifted.
– Movement and flickshots are inconsistent and unintuitive. Doesn’t help that a dev directly admitted to movement being inconsistent, and not thinking it’s relevant to gameplay.
– Kill delay is worse, by indirect admission from Valve (adding damage prediction)
– Rubberbanding when colliding with teammates at the start of the round. No explanation needed.
– Slowdown/rubberband/teleport when you get tagged, while present in CS:GO, seemingly worse in CS2.
– General “desync” feeling. Not sure how to explain this one, it’s kind of the combination of all of the above. CS2 doesn’t make any efforts to hide it’s networking intricacies. It affects gameplay horribly, and the game in general does not feel intuitive as a result. Example: In GO, I could be confident if I’m tapping an AK, but in CS2 I feel incentivized to stand still for longer, double or even triple tap to make sure I get the kill, even tho my first bullet already did the trick.
Since the damage prediction update, Valve has not made a single update regarding these issues. Is it ignorance ? Complacency ? Incompetence ? I don’t know. All I know is that these issues have been circulating for long enough already, from pros and the general community alike. There’s not been any action at all, and it’s doesn’t leave me with much hope.
i played csgo for liek 8 years straight and i dont remember dying behind wall once.
People do it because Valve are lazy and can’t fix the game for 2 years. I don’t know what makes cs2 feels like shit so I say it feels like shit, dev fix. But Valve don’t fix it. Literally boost bug was in the game for like a year and Valve coudn’t fucking figire it out until Poggu found the cause and reported it to Valve. I can’t really blame the community for trying to find problems themselves so Valve can finally fix the game.
subtick not subtick who cares. the game is shit and its shouldnt be up to the community to find out why. valve gave us this broken mess, they should have fixed it by now. Its been long enough.
This should be pinned on the front page