I’ve probably killed a million billion random gonks doing the NCPD side quests and NOW is the moment that V decides to get all concerned about body counts? This game is too much sometimes lol
I’ve probably killed a million billion random gonks doing the NCPD side quests and NOW is the moment that V decides to get all concerned about body counts? This game is too much sometimes lol
V is worried about people dying, those other gonks don’t count as people
AsvpDonkey
Criminals actively breaking the law and vicitimizing the citizens of NC and Dogtown ≠ innocent civilians
KiAlongTheWay
Unless you’re going around killing civies everyone V fights is “in the game” it ain’t right but it’s a separation
NovaSmudge
I see that but also how often has V ever willingly participated in anything that planned to have innocents dying. easy option for some but not others, which is why PL is so good
SkillCheck131
RIGHT
Adam Smasher probably has a poster of V in his room, and I bet he brushes it at night hoping senpai will notice him someday
Chips1709
I mean I never kill civilians in the game. It’s only ever the yellow arrows that I kill. So it’s definitely valid in my playthrough.
Jeremy_Melton
V killed gang members (mostly Tyger Claws, Raffens, Wraiths, Animals, maybe VoodooBoys, Maelstroms and potentially Scavs). The people V are concerned about are innocent bystanders.
heroinsteve
Almost everyone that you kill where V doesn’t bat an eye is either part of a corp, gang or a merc. They all knew what kinda life they’re getting into in this world. V pretty consistently shows hesitance in harming innocent civilians. That’s what V is referring to here.
Smoothwolf-9845
This is a trope you’ll find in many video games in which you are, technically, a mass murderer.
Zestyclose-Care7418
bro, I’m surprised my V hasn’t been put at most wanted with the shit I do.
DnDGamerGuy
V never kills random civilians. V kills gangoons and other people that are sought after by fixers.
Of course v would be concerned about a plan where you’re proposing to literally killed hundreds of innocent people.
Logicerror404
This applies to me. I go on rampages killing as many civs and maxtac as possible. Sorry.
CheekyWanker007
would have been cool if V had a different reaction based on the amt of kills he/she had at the point of the game
Wasabi_Traditional
The V I got is still canon because I only shoot when shot usually because I play stealthy as much as possible.
WanderingMistral
It really depends on how you play, but if you only kill people that are either scum or trying to kill you first, its hardly the same as innocent people getting caught in the crossfire.
saddisticidiot
We are talking abt innocent people, kids, families, at the stadium not just gonks
Still_Cat1513
How many people would die?… And are we still within the collateral budget for this operation?
checkpointing
This would have worked a lot better if the game had a proper non-lethal system but I do get want they wanted to convey in the story. I guess you could argue the difference is the people you shoot in the NCPD side quests and gigs are all gang members and therefore signed up. And the people in the stadium are largely civilians
jabberwagon
Pretty sure he’s worried about the civvies. The stadium holds more than just Hansen’s goons, it’s also home to a big market full of merchants and normal people shopping. If the whole stadium goes nuts then a lot of them could die too. Fortunately it seems like they didn’t get it too bad
Coyotesamigo
Narrative dissonance. In “real life” v does not actually kill 3,000 people in three weeks. But “gameplay v” does because the game is designed around killing people, so that’s what you spend most of your time doing.
CountOver3041
That’s my main critique of songbird haters, she’s the most punk character tryna escape from her cage and yet players whose V is a hired gun and has killed more people than cancer suddenly hates that saving songbird kills a spaceport filled with people
Calgrave
There’s a big difference between killing a building full of gang members vs unexpectedly perpetrating something that will be seen as a terrorist attack full of civilians, and bringing sudden heat with no preparation.
SargathusWA
I thought the same thing lol
IrishGh0st91
Ludonarrative dissonance, amirite?
Odaric
“people” is a strong word for Scavs and Maelstromers, lol
Odd-Rip5267
I’m pretty sure because canonically V doesn’t slaughter innocent civilians, only tyger claws, wraiths, corpos, barghest, NUSA black ops, Mr Blue eyes gangoons, maelstrom, valentinos, thugs, NCPD, Scavs, animals, voodoo boys, cyberpsychos, Stefan and NPCS that decide to jump infront of my Mai Mai
GrumpiestRobot
The distinction is completely arbitrary. V is a criminal, and the majority of the people they associate are also criminals according to the NCPD database. Jackie, Judy, Kerry, all of the plot-relevant Aldecaldos, all of them are wanted criminals. It’s a dumbass line that CDPR put in there to make you second-guess yourself on siding with Songbird.
skoomaking4lyfe
Lol. Not as many people as I killed driving to this mission.
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V is worried about people dying, those other gonks don’t count as people
Criminals actively breaking the law and vicitimizing the citizens of NC and Dogtown ≠ innocent civilians
Unless you’re going around killing civies everyone V fights is “in the game” it ain’t right but it’s a separation
I see that but also how often has V ever willingly participated in anything that planned to have innocents dying. easy option for some but not others, which is why PL is so good
RIGHT
Adam Smasher probably has a poster of V in his room, and I bet he brushes it at night hoping senpai will notice him someday
I mean I never kill civilians in the game. It’s only ever the yellow arrows that I kill. So it’s definitely valid in my playthrough.
V killed gang members (mostly Tyger Claws, Raffens, Wraiths, Animals, maybe VoodooBoys, Maelstroms and potentially Scavs). The people V are concerned about are innocent bystanders.
Almost everyone that you kill where V doesn’t bat an eye is either part of a corp, gang or a merc. They all knew what kinda life they’re getting into in this world. V pretty consistently shows hesitance in harming innocent civilians. That’s what V is referring to here.
This is a trope you’ll find in many video games in which you are, technically, a mass murderer.
bro, I’m surprised my V hasn’t been put at most wanted with the shit I do.
V never kills random civilians. V kills gangoons and other people that are sought after by fixers.
Of course v would be concerned about a plan where you’re proposing to literally killed hundreds of innocent people.
This applies to me. I go on rampages killing as many civs and maxtac as possible. Sorry.
would have been cool if V had a different reaction based on the amt of kills he/she had at the point of the game
The V I got is still canon because I only shoot when shot usually because I play stealthy as much as possible.
It really depends on how you play, but if you only kill people that are either scum or trying to kill you first, its hardly the same as innocent people getting caught in the crossfire.
We are talking abt innocent people, kids, families, at the stadium not just gonks
How many people would die?… And are we still within the collateral budget for this operation?
This would have worked a lot better if the game had a proper non-lethal system but I do get want they wanted to convey in the story. I guess you could argue the difference is the people you shoot in the NCPD side quests and gigs are all gang members and therefore signed up. And the people in the stadium are largely civilians
Pretty sure he’s worried about the civvies. The stadium holds more than just Hansen’s goons, it’s also home to a big market full of merchants and normal people shopping. If the whole stadium goes nuts then a lot of them could die too. Fortunately it seems like they didn’t get it too bad
Narrative dissonance. In “real life” v does not actually kill 3,000 people in three weeks. But “gameplay v” does because the game is designed around killing people, so that’s what you spend most of your time doing.
That’s my main critique of songbird haters, she’s the most punk character tryna escape from her cage and yet players whose V is a hired gun and has killed more people than cancer suddenly hates that saving songbird kills a spaceport filled with people
There’s a big difference between killing a building full of gang members vs unexpectedly perpetrating something that will be seen as a terrorist attack full of civilians, and bringing sudden heat with no preparation.
I thought the same thing lol
Ludonarrative dissonance, amirite?
“people” is a strong word for Scavs and Maelstromers, lol
I’m pretty sure because canonically V doesn’t slaughter innocent civilians, only tyger claws, wraiths, corpos, barghest, NUSA black ops, Mr Blue eyes gangoons, maelstrom, valentinos, thugs, NCPD, Scavs, animals, voodoo boys, cyberpsychos, Stefan and NPCS that decide to jump infront of my Mai Mai
The distinction is completely arbitrary. V is a criminal, and the majority of the people they associate are also criminals according to the NCPD database. Jackie, Judy, Kerry, all of the plot-relevant Aldecaldos, all of them are wanted criminals. It’s a dumbass line that CDPR put in there to make you second-guess yourself on siding with Songbird.
Lol. Not as many people as I killed driving to this mission.
Ludonarrative dissonance baby