How do I convince my brother that this is not an ideal drive for archival storage?
How do I convince my brother that this is not an ideal drive for archival storage?
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Speed isn’t necessary for storage purely meant to be an archive or backup. High speed HDDs are much cheaper and come in larger volumes. Plus the data can decay on SSDs if left powered off for excessive lengths of time.
When it comes to archive storage price per TB is the main consideration. Using that metric, this is about the most expensive drive you can buy.
You can knock some sense into him by slamming a keyboard into him
Tell him he can build a NAS with more than twice the storage and redundancy for half the cost.
22 TB external storage is about $600.
you can literally buy two 4tb for half the price or less. and it will be the same speed. not to mention corsair is ALWAYS overpriced for what you get compared to other known/quality brands….
silicon power 4tb gen 4×4 for 220 on amazon. (US75, 7000 read 6500 write). so for 440 you can get 8tb between two drives. in that mentality, you could get 4 for 880 and have 16tb…. that’s how you convince them.
I could understand that price if it was pci-e gen 5…. but gen 4×4? way overpriced. and even then, 99% of games wont take full use of an NVMe anyway. you can literally use a gen 3 nvme saving money and seeing zero performance difference.
as others stated, archive storage doesn’t need speed. you can get a 16tb drive from seagate for mad cheap in comparison. 8tb nvme’s are a waste of money no matter how you look at it. ENTERPRISE GRADE platter drive, 16tb, is around 300 bucks…. so you get twice the storage, longevity because its enterprise grade, and its stupid cheap in comparison to that nvme.
It’s tape or nothing
For that price you can buy multiple HDDs and set it in a RAID (redundant array of independent disks) configuration for extra safety. Data won’t be lost if one or a few drives dies (depends on the RAID).
[This wikipedia page has a great explation about RAID.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_RAID_levels)
I bought an external 14TB WD MyBook for storage and it was less than a 1/3 of that price.
You don’t. Fuck ’em. If people don’t want your advice, don’t go crazy trying to prove that you’re right. Just shrug and wait. Life is better that way.
NewEgg is notorious for scalping and denying refunds.
Is your brother rich? because I put together 70TB of storage for my Plex server for about that same price.
Refurbished (3x) Dell Exos 18TB HDDs and (1x) 16TB all in a 4 bar USB 3.0 enclosure. All of the drives have been running for anywhere from 6-12 months, and the most they had on them was 30 hours when I got them, according to Crystal Disk info.
With that being said, if I could afford a $1000 8TB M.2 in my gaming rig, I would definitely have one. I currently have one 1TB and two 2TB, and they are all almost full, along with the 8TB HDD in it.
Find an m.2 that is already non-functional and demonstrate the ease with which it can be stolen, be misplaced, or succumb to physical vulnerabilities.
So him how many Ironwolf Nas drives he can buy for the same price, then clip him around the head while calling him dumb. If he stills buys the nvme drive, sit back and wait for the call thats coming in a few years that his drive is failing.
just say it and let him learn with his mistakes…
Ssds lose all their charge after their cells lose charge over time sitting around. Definitely not recommend for archival
just get 2 4tb ones for way less
Talk about archival needs redundancy and buying two Hard drives in mirroring raid would be the best
You can get a pair of 24tb drives for $800
But it is op.
Having a single drive is never ideal for archival storage
Apparently tape is still the best for archival storage.
Good Gpus cost less.
Sometimes you can’t recover anything on a fried ssd. At least with HD you can pay to have information recovered even if it was in a fire.
I bought a 8 tb SSD from Microcenter for 350..
There is your answer.. However I have not seen them that cheap since I got that one..
It was this one..
[https://www.microcenter.com/product/624757/870_QVO_8TB_SSD_4-bit_QLC_V-NAND_SATA_III_6Gb-s_25%22_Internal_Solid_State_Drive](https://www.microcenter.com/product/624757/870_QVO_8TB_SSD_4-bit_QLC_V-NAND_SATA_III_6Gb-s_25%22_Internal_Solid_State_Drive)
Let the man live his life. Or, tell him you can get him a better option, cheaper and to just give you the money so you can buy it for him. Hand him the storage you decide on and his change back
What’s he storing for archival purposes?
If it’s video content, an SSD isn’t going to make the video any faster to watch and consume, so the performance is wasted.
If he’s editing content, then it makes sense to go with a larger SSD, but that also depends on the size of the content, and there are other contextual considerations, such as whether it’s over a network and if tiering a 4TB with, say, a few 14+TB spindles makes sense.
But if it’s meant to be cold, there are other things to consider, and other solutions that might make more sense.
Archival? We need more info.
it would be cheeper to pay the monthly upkeep for enterprise cloud hosting
https://cloud.ibm.com/objectstorage/create#pricing
ibm will store your data in multiple datacenters for $1.30 per TB per Month.
I built a TrueNAS system using 10 year old PC hardware and 3 10TB drives from eBay. I have 18TB usable in a RAID Z1 config. Cost about a 3rd of the price of this drive.
[“SSDs are not suitable for archival storage”](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solid-state_drive)
Basically if you leave an SSD without power for long enough it will star losing data. Hard drives don’t do that. (Or at least, it’s way slower)
If it is going to be receiving power often… then sure, you could use an SSD… but why would you? It’s waaaay more expensive for… what? People buy SSDs for speed, but archival storage doesn’t need speed.
For archiving purposes, as others have stated, SSD really isn’t your best choice.
For nearly 1000$ you can have either 8TB of SSD storage, or 32 TB of HDD storage with WD golds… HDD’s are the gold standard for storing large amounts of data that doesn’t need SSD speed.
[https://www.amazon.com/Gold-Enterprise-Class-Internal-Drive/dp/B07XGDNZXT](https://www.amazon.com/Gold-Enterprise-Class-Internal-Drive/dp/B07XGDNZXT)
If that egregious price tag doesn’t convince him, I see little hope.
ghaaa, since money is clearly no object, just get 2 and run raid 1
True chads write their data physically on storage devices with lasers. Blu-Ray, DVD, and CD’s will keep your data much safer and more reliably than any HDD or SDD.
SSDs can lose data over time if left unpowered due to quantum tunnelling. HDDs physicslly scratch data on to the disk like how record player disks were made. For archival purposes, HDDs are still king. HDDs will still degrade over the decades but the data will still be scratched on to the disk, so it can still be recovered.
If he has the money, he should just buy it. I’d be over the moon to have an 8TB SSD to store all the steam games that I never play.
You could probably get an LTO drive and the same capacity in tape for the same price