Storming arasaka tower with Jackie would be top tier bit other than that and a few side missions i doubt anything would really change
Specialist_Shake2425
It would be a lot lamer.
artigan99
Neither of them would be dead.
Michaelbirks
The game becomes more squad-based, where you assemble a team for each gig from a cast of specialists.
T-Bug is always on overwatch through the net, cracking doors and camera networks.
Jackie is huscle.
Panam is the long-gun with Overwatch.
Kerry is a face, with contacts all over the place.
DedicatedDetective34
I’d be down for a retcon with them alive, but we switch up the genre. From RPG to CRPG. Basically, Cyberpunk 2020 set in 2077.
fonfan121
T-Bug, aside from possibly helping out in the main story, offers you netrunning based jobs, maybe something similar to what Watch Dogs does? Either way, I’d take anything more than just having send you to get a tier 1 Ping.
Admirable-Media-9339
This is a weird question because it changes pretty much everything and drastically. It’s like asking “Fallout New Vegas but Benny never shoots you”
Tiger_Zaishi
Actually, quite an interesting thought. Imagine Jackie had lived and became the one with Johnny Silverhand’s engram rewriting his mind. Ignoring had you both survived the heist, Dex would likely have shot you both anyway, ending your life permanently…
You as the player adopting the role of the side character in his narrative journey. You’re just V, doing whatever you can to help your friend figure it out and not quite sure if you believe or understand what’s going on.
Having following your friend down an ever more increasingly dangerous and violent road, watching his health degrade and his decisions become ever more erratic as Johnny’s personality influences takes hold.
Do you encourage him, following him down the rabbit hole of espionage, crime and murder? Or do you, fearing for his own safety and wellbeing, intervene by working with Arasaka, ultimately betraying his trust but doing what you think will best save his life? Can you really trust this “terrorists voice in his head” to do right by your friend?
Do you kill for him, mowing down legions of guards, police and random gangs? Or do you try your best to limit the damage left in the wake of his sudden desire to bring down the corps and anyone who gets in his way?
Do you risk cyberpsychosis by chipping ever more experimental implants trying to keep up with the carnage?
Continuing your life as a mercenary, you’d still likely meet Panam and the Aldecados. Are you as willing to risk their lives in the final fight against Arasaka when you don’t have the same conviction as your friend?
Oh and T-bug remains an abrasive but competent colleague. Just as likely to help you as she is to sell you out. Can you really trust her at all?
I honestly can’t think of a game where you haven’t been the main character of the story. It would be a welcome change of pace from the long worn out “heroes journey” trope. It could make for a really compelling, relatable experience that better suits role-playing and narrative conflict.
Regard-1
Obviously it would be cool to hang more with Jackie, however I think it would take much away from the emotional grip that the story has.
DutchJediKnight
Jackie and V arrive at No Tell Motel, Dex is still pissed
But with both there, Dex and his bodyguard don’t get the drop on V. They bite the dust
V contacts Evelyn, they get paid and Evelyn takes the relic to the Voodoo Boyz or whoever she thinks will pay her better.
T-Big takes her cut and disappears to europe
Once it becomes clear Arasaka is not hunting V and Jackie, they begin working as mercs, sometimes together, sometimes apart. A big enough score may even convince Jackie to settle down with Misty.
V becomes an okay merc, but without the desperation driving them to take on a hundred crazy jobs at once, they never reach the highest level.
RedFiveSwayze_
It’s a completely different story. Jackie dying is a major part of V’s character and story.
Mason_DY
If Jackie lives you would have an entirely different game
tinklymunkle
I do think it would be cool to have a character like T-Bug in the background providing overwatch and logistics while you are on missions, especially if you don’t spec as a netrunner.
Raisa_Alfera
V would just be some merc. She’d never meet Johnny, she’d never need to talk to Rogue and thus wouldn’t meet Panam, she’d never need to track down Evelyn and wouldn’t see Judy again. Not seeing Judy means not meeting the Peralez’s (idk how to spell it lol) and no River. No Johnny means no Samurai reunion and no Kerry. Basically the whole game doesn’t happen cuz V doesn’t need to get the Relic out.
The game can still kinda happen if Jackie is killed by Dex and the Relic revives him and for some reason Dex doesn’t drop you too. But the stakes will be far less removed. V wouldn’t have any personal stake in the story. You’d also completely miss out on the Johnny/V dynamic and wouldn’t see Johnny’s character
ThanksIllustrious671
I mean the main story changes fully. The game is probably more GTA like being all about Heist and big scores. V’s and Jackie’s rep would have sky rocketed as the two who stole from saka without getting caught at all. If you call rouge she talks about having big jobs for a team but V’s rep as working in a group is soiled so in this scenario the jobs are open. We don’t meet Panam tho as we don’t need Hellman, we don’t meet many others because of no Johnny. A lot of people say we wouldn’t have meet or made a connection with Judy but I think we still would have because there was a high chance Evelyn fucked them over or gets fucked over. I’d say the game is a lot more of Jackie getting V into shitty situations because he’s ambitious and the whole “getting to the major leagues” thing is just a stepping stone for him wanting to be or at least feel important.
Murderboi
I do not care for T-Bug and am happy with my 200 years still best friend Jackie drinking tequila out of the skulls of Adam Smasher and Dex while watching the sun set on night city.
cometcopy
Have a feeling Jackie will have Johnny in his head, and making him go crazy. Hell, Johnny might expose something about Jackie that even V didn’t know about him. It might make you question your friendship with him. T-bug being in the game would be an interesting “It was only business” mission.
V would still be the main character only certain relationships I don’t see happening unless we build the better relationship with Johnny over Jackie, while still keeping Jackie’s best interest at heart. The DLC mission for an example would Jackie work for the FEDs?
Goseebananafish
V lugs around 2 dead bodies the entire game
Sir_Arsen
you get more attached to Jackie and story can have two sides, Jackie-team being pro V and Johnny team being pro johnny transformation.
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Storming arasaka tower with Jackie would be top tier bit other than that and a few side missions i doubt anything would really change
It would be a lot lamer.
Neither of them would be dead.
The game becomes more squad-based, where you assemble a team for each gig from a cast of specialists.
T-Bug is always on overwatch through the net, cracking doors and camera networks.
Jackie is huscle.
Panam is the long-gun with Overwatch.
Kerry is a face, with contacts all over the place.
I’d be down for a retcon with them alive, but we switch up the genre. From RPG to CRPG. Basically, Cyberpunk 2020 set in 2077.
T-Bug, aside from possibly helping out in the main story, offers you netrunning based jobs, maybe something similar to what Watch Dogs does? Either way, I’d take anything more than just having send you to get a tier 1 Ping.
This is a weird question because it changes pretty much everything and drastically. It’s like asking “Fallout New Vegas but Benny never shoots you”
Actually, quite an interesting thought. Imagine Jackie had lived and became the one with Johnny Silverhand’s engram rewriting his mind. Ignoring had you both survived the heist, Dex would likely have shot you both anyway, ending your life permanently…
You as the player adopting the role of the side character in his narrative journey. You’re just V, doing whatever you can to help your friend figure it out and not quite sure if you believe or understand what’s going on.
Having following your friend down an ever more increasingly dangerous and violent road, watching his health degrade and his decisions become ever more erratic as Johnny’s personality influences takes hold.
Do you encourage him, following him down the rabbit hole of espionage, crime and murder? Or do you, fearing for his own safety and wellbeing, intervene by working with Arasaka, ultimately betraying his trust but doing what you think will best save his life? Can you really trust this “terrorists voice in his head” to do right by your friend?
Do you kill for him, mowing down legions of guards, police and random gangs? Or do you try your best to limit the damage left in the wake of his sudden desire to bring down the corps and anyone who gets in his way?
Do you risk cyberpsychosis by chipping ever more experimental implants trying to keep up with the carnage?
Continuing your life as a mercenary, you’d still likely meet Panam and the Aldecados. Are you as willing to risk their lives in the final fight against Arasaka when you don’t have the same conviction as your friend?
Oh and T-bug remains an abrasive but competent colleague. Just as likely to help you as she is to sell you out. Can you really trust her at all?
I honestly can’t think of a game where you haven’t been the main character of the story. It would be a welcome change of pace from the long worn out “heroes journey” trope. It could make for a really compelling, relatable experience that better suits role-playing and narrative conflict.
Obviously it would be cool to hang more with Jackie, however I think it would take much away from the emotional grip that the story has.
Jackie and V arrive at No Tell Motel, Dex is still pissed
But with both there, Dex and his bodyguard don’t get the drop on V. They bite the dust
V contacts Evelyn, they get paid and Evelyn takes the relic to the Voodoo Boyz or whoever she thinks will pay her better.
T-Big takes her cut and disappears to europe
Once it becomes clear Arasaka is not hunting V and Jackie, they begin working as mercs, sometimes together, sometimes apart. A big enough score may even convince Jackie to settle down with Misty.
V becomes an okay merc, but without the desperation driving them to take on a hundred crazy jobs at once, they never reach the highest level.
It’s a completely different story. Jackie dying is a major part of V’s character and story.
If Jackie lives you would have an entirely different game
I do think it would be cool to have a character like T-Bug in the background providing overwatch and logistics while you are on missions, especially if you don’t spec as a netrunner.
V would just be some merc. She’d never meet Johnny, she’d never need to talk to Rogue and thus wouldn’t meet Panam, she’d never need to track down Evelyn and wouldn’t see Judy again. Not seeing Judy means not meeting the Peralez’s (idk how to spell it lol) and no River. No Johnny means no Samurai reunion and no Kerry. Basically the whole game doesn’t happen cuz V doesn’t need to get the Relic out.
The game can still kinda happen if Jackie is killed by Dex and the Relic revives him and for some reason Dex doesn’t drop you too. But the stakes will be far less removed. V wouldn’t have any personal stake in the story. You’d also completely miss out on the Johnny/V dynamic and wouldn’t see Johnny’s character
I mean the main story changes fully. The game is probably more GTA like being all about Heist and big scores. V’s and Jackie’s rep would have sky rocketed as the two who stole from saka without getting caught at all. If you call rouge she talks about having big jobs for a team but V’s rep as working in a group is soiled so in this scenario the jobs are open. We don’t meet Panam tho as we don’t need Hellman, we don’t meet many others because of no Johnny. A lot of people say we wouldn’t have meet or made a connection with Judy but I think we still would have because there was a high chance Evelyn fucked them over or gets fucked over. I’d say the game is a lot more of Jackie getting V into shitty situations because he’s ambitious and the whole “getting to the major leagues” thing is just a stepping stone for him wanting to be or at least feel important.
I do not care for T-Bug and am happy with my 200 years still best friend Jackie drinking tequila out of the skulls of Adam Smasher and Dex while watching the sun set on night city.
Have a feeling Jackie will have Johnny in his head, and making him go crazy. Hell, Johnny might expose something about Jackie that even V didn’t know about him. It might make you question your friendship with him. T-bug being in the game would be an interesting “It was only business” mission.
V would still be the main character only certain relationships I don’t see happening unless we build the better relationship with Johnny over Jackie, while still keeping Jackie’s best interest at heart. The DLC mission for an example would Jackie work for the FEDs?
V lugs around 2 dead bodies the entire game
you get more attached to Jackie and story can have two sides, Jackie-team being pro V and Johnny team being pro johnny transformation.