It looks like MnK players need to spend some more time on their aim trainers. 😂 /s
jpayney
Cheaters on PC have ruined the experience for console players also.
Everyone hates crossplay apart from publishers it seems.
Joecalone
controller users will unironically defend this
xiDemise
1 in 4 controller players have better accuracy than almost all mnk players (99.93%) lmfao… to match the accuracy of the top 25% controller players, an mnk player would need to be in the upper 0.07% of their input.
yeah competitive fps gaming is cooked outside of counter-strike and valorant.
Xineum
Please give console players the option to exclude PC from crossplay then? No one is complaining
One-Objective-3715
When will you people learn that it has nothing to do with console vs PC? It has everything to do CONTROLLER vs MnK. You can use a controller on a PC. You can use MnK on a console.
CONTROLLERS have ruined FPS for MnK players. Even if crossplay wasn’t a thing controllers would still ruin gaming for anyone who isn’t using one. This isn’t a recent issue; this has been a problem since the days of BO3 and Titanfall 2.
Funny2Who
Console only cross play is the only answer but they won’t do it.
yoiruiouy
Mine doesn’t do that whole arm every AA clip is a cheater etc.
Pretty crazy when you consider that Apex has 30% weaker RAA when you use a controller on PC in a game with a lot more ways to break/mitigate AA and they still mop mnk players.
Can’t even imagine what it’s like in cod.
tiredbabydoc
Controller players being happy translates to more console revenue aka more money for the publisher. Simple as that.
Public_Breath_5525
Keep in mind that aim assist in apex is way weaker than warzone and doesn’t have a range so imagine the stats will be in warzone
JuggernautyouFear
So all these games need to turn down the aim assist by 32%. Get on it.
Real_Big_Dill
I’m a 1.7 K/D player, and my accuracy on controller is like 23-27% for most guns, snipers are like 35-40%. Also. This is Apex, not COD, so these numbers aren’t gonna be the exact same. Over 30% for the average controller player in COD? Most of my friends I play with probably have 15-20, so idk about that.
Castordash
Devs, please enable controller support for pc. /s
IAIRonI
Crossplay? Seems to me that aim assist being tuned so high is ruining gameplay for everyone
Jesus_COD
Just separate inputs, that’s all we need
paddenice
Another good reason for console only lobbies. *obviously* I’m aware that this isn’t the input based discussion this post is highlighting, but I’ll use it for my own axe to grind.
Averagechildeater
Jesus you people complain a lot
overtoke
furthermore: consoles have ruined gaming and set back technology advancement by 10 years or more
Professional-Yak4692
Trust me bro!
disagreet0disagree
Ive seen similar analysis done on WZ, which has much stronger aim assist than apex, and the estimate they arrived at was using controller nearly doubles your k/d for experienced players, and that was in wz1.Â
Only with brand new players was the k/d almost similar. In other words once a controller player figures out how to abuse aim assist its game over for mnk.Â
CelticLegendary1
That’s aim assist for ya. Back in the day MK had the advantage.
As a gamer who was around before and after aim assist, many of us complained when it was introduced and protested it. I was even on controller on console when it happened and I hated and protested it. Allowed players who weren’t as good to actually be good with less effort. Basically anyone who was solid on controller or MK competitively got the short end of the stick. in the long run they did it to pander for the casuals.
zhubaohi
Also, remember this is from apex where aim assist is significantly weaker than cod.
Adventurous-Edge1719
I would also argue it’s also ruined fps for console players as well.
Undesirable_11
I see many console people asking for console only crossplay… you do realize people cheat outside of PC too right? With all the chronus zen and the emerging cheat technologies it’s kind of silly to limit the cheating population to PC players only. There are way more people cheating in this game than many of you realize
zeagurat
Based on that avg mnk k/d, that data is very accurate for avg player, usually it’s around 0.8-0.95 in any fps game.
TheThing1012513398
I have this stupid theory that because most people don’t turn off vibration it messes up their aim so they’ve tuned aim assist to take into account that. I can’t play fps with vibration anymore because it causes your aim to sometimes do funny things.
5uper5onic
Apex ruined Apex, we can have the Warzone discussion separately
SuccessfulNothing950
And pc players have ruined the game by buying cheats 🤣🤣
AvengefulGamer
Wait…. controller is “better” than mnk? I played console the first 15ish years of my life and converted to PC now I can only play on mnk and can’t operate a controller for shit. I thought mouse had a far superior advantage to controller for it’s variable speed in aiming being able to quickly flick to a target?
Am I missing something? How is controller the easier option? This has to be a bad/biased selection of candidates, are the best players in the world usually mnk too?
Maybe I’ve just had aim assist off on all my games the times I’ve tried going back to controller but it feels terrible to me.
Roklobster1
Just use a controller and still get rolled.
FocusedWolf
Not surprised, anyone that has something aiming for them is going to have an advantage. I mean the game is literally telling the controller crosshair where to move before MNK players can see the frame appear on their monitor.
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It looks like MnK players need to spend some more time on their aim trainers. 😂 /s
Cheaters on PC have ruined the experience for console players also.
Everyone hates crossplay apart from publishers it seems.
controller users will unironically defend this
1 in 4 controller players have better accuracy than almost all mnk players (99.93%) lmfao… to match the accuracy of the top 25% controller players, an mnk player would need to be in the upper 0.07% of their input.
yeah competitive fps gaming is cooked outside of counter-strike and valorant.
Please give console players the option to exclude PC from crossplay then? No one is complaining
When will you people learn that it has nothing to do with console vs PC? It has everything to do CONTROLLER vs MnK. You can use a controller on a PC. You can use MnK on a console.
CONTROLLERS have ruined FPS for MnK players. Even if crossplay wasn’t a thing controllers would still ruin gaming for anyone who isn’t using one. This isn’t a recent issue; this has been a problem since the days of BO3 and Titanfall 2.
Console only cross play is the only answer but they won’t do it.
Mine doesn’t do that whole arm every AA clip is a cheater etc.
Pretty crazy when you consider that Apex has 30% weaker RAA when you use a controller on PC in a game with a lot more ways to break/mitigate AA and they still mop mnk players.
Can’t even imagine what it’s like in cod.
Controller players being happy translates to more console revenue aka more money for the publisher. Simple as that.
Keep in mind that aim assist in apex is way weaker than warzone and doesn’t have a range so imagine the stats will be in warzone
So all these games need to turn down the aim assist by 32%. Get on it.
I’m a 1.7 K/D player, and my accuracy on controller is like 23-27% for most guns, snipers are like 35-40%. Also. This is Apex, not COD, so these numbers aren’t gonna be the exact same. Over 30% for the average controller player in COD? Most of my friends I play with probably have 15-20, so idk about that.
Devs, please enable controller support for pc. /s
Crossplay? Seems to me that aim assist being tuned so high is ruining gameplay for everyone
Just separate inputs, that’s all we need
Another good reason for console only lobbies. *obviously* I’m aware that this isn’t the input based discussion this post is highlighting, but I’ll use it for my own axe to grind.
Jesus you people complain a lot
furthermore: consoles have ruined gaming and set back technology advancement by 10 years or more
Trust me bro!
Ive seen similar analysis done on WZ, which has much stronger aim assist than apex, and the estimate they arrived at was using controller nearly doubles your k/d for experienced players, and that was in wz1.Â
Only with brand new players was the k/d almost similar. In other words once a controller player figures out how to abuse aim assist its game over for mnk.Â
That’s aim assist for ya. Back in the day MK had the advantage.
As a gamer who was around before and after aim assist, many of us complained when it was introduced and protested it. I was even on controller on console when it happened and I hated and protested it. Allowed players who weren’t as good to actually be good with less effort. Basically anyone who was solid on controller or MK competitively got the short end of the stick. in the long run they did it to pander for the casuals.
Also, remember this is from apex where aim assist is significantly weaker than cod.
I would also argue it’s also ruined fps for console players as well.
I see many console people asking for console only crossplay… you do realize people cheat outside of PC too right? With all the chronus zen and the emerging cheat technologies it’s kind of silly to limit the cheating population to PC players only. There are way more people cheating in this game than many of you realize
Based on that avg mnk k/d, that data is very accurate for avg player, usually it’s around 0.8-0.95 in any fps game.
I have this stupid theory that because most people don’t turn off vibration it messes up their aim so they’ve tuned aim assist to take into account that. I can’t play fps with vibration anymore because it causes your aim to sometimes do funny things.
Apex ruined Apex, we can have the Warzone discussion separately
And pc players have ruined the game by buying cheats 🤣🤣
Wait…. controller is “better” than mnk? I played console the first 15ish years of my life and converted to PC now I can only play on mnk and can’t operate a controller for shit. I thought mouse had a far superior advantage to controller for it’s variable speed in aiming being able to quickly flick to a target?
Am I missing something? How is controller the easier option? This has to be a bad/biased selection of candidates, are the best players in the world usually mnk too?
Maybe I’ve just had aim assist off on all my games the times I’ve tried going back to controller but it feels terrible to me.
Just use a controller and still get rolled.
Not surprised, anyone that has something aiming for them is going to have an advantage. I mean the game is literally telling the controller crosshair where to move before MNK players can see the frame appear on their monitor.