Wizards of the Coast may not be the problem, but Hasbro sure is.
hoopsy-daisy
Corporate greed being bad and omni-present in companies as big as hasbro aside;
Sequels that are forced out are almost always bad – look at Dragon Age 2. I’d much rather they made a game they were excited for.
ryosan0
> “Reading the reddit threads, I would like to clear up something,” Vincke said. “WOTC is not to blame for us taking a different direction. On the contrary, they really did their best and have been a great licensor for us, letting us do our thing. This is because it’s what’s best for Larian.
Sounds like the choice not to make further DLC or sequels was indeed overall an in-house decision to move ahead with other projects.
West-Medicine-2408
I’m glad They didn’t sellout to the losers of Wotc
Masam10
BG3 is just a winning formula. They could make a game in any universe and it would be a success if it used that same formula.
Imagine a Star Wars game or something, it would absolutely cook.
Raspberry-Brief
Why pay licensing fees, when you can make dirty amounts of money now that your studio is a house hold name
aristidedn
reddit being *so certain* of something absurd only to have the man himself show up and tell them that they – *specifically* reddit – are dead wrong will never not be funny.
Kamakaziturtle
This wasn’t a huge surprise, Swen has talked about how they had a lot of cool ideas that they had to put on the backburner since they needed to stick to DnD 5e for BG3 (and even then they took some *massive* liberties with the system). They probably want to put those ideas to use.
They have that name recognition now in the greater gaming sphere, nut just in the CRPG circle like they had before, and introduced a ton of people to the genre. May as well run with that and start seeing if they can use that popularity to boost their own decades old IP, or maybe even start something new.
Swordbreaker9250
Personally I’m happy to see them split.
BG3 is a masterpiece, but I want independent studios to remain as independent as possible, including focusing on their own IP instead of licensing. I’d say Cyberunk and The Witcher are the rare exception cuz CDPR does those so well and seems to care about the IP a lot. But Larian can take a lot of what they learned from BG3 and use it to make a Divinity 3 or try something new.
Amazing_Magician2892
Now im convinced wotc sent the pinkertons to intimidate him into making that statement.
JTDeuce
Can it be my turn to repost this tomorrow?
Proper_Dimension_341
If thats the case why the teasing for dlc or a sequel in the epilogue they added. I aint buying it. Id wager its some level of “you need to handle this before it gets out hand” by PR
Liberkhaos
I don’t think it matters whether they are responsible or not. The fact that so many people came up to that conclusion so quickly is proof of how badly they are viewed as a company after trying to screw everyone so badly.
Dragonfire14
As a MTG fan I can say, Hasbro WOTC is shit. I recently quit MTG after years and years of playing due to the various changes and decisions they have made over the last 5 years. It is honestly not the same game as it was.
That being said, I also don’t think WotC is the reason behind Larian leaving BG. BG3 is an amazing game, and honestly doesn’t need any DLC or expansions. It is a complete game you can enjoy time and time again. Larian also has their own worlds they can return to or can create new worlds. Their team is great, and with BG3’s success their name is well known now. They don’t need the D&D license to carry them, and the less chiefs making a dish, the better focused it can be.
Icefiight
Aka yes they were to blame.. Swen taking the high road
FishingGunpowder
Isn’t this exactly what an exec would say to save themselves from a huge PR nightmare?
hotstepper77777
I wouldn’t wanna hitch my wagon to wotc either
Carrollmusician
People still hanging on to a very broad misunderstanding of the open license agreement dust up from last year and making WOTC out to be the bad guys regardless of sense.
esgrove2
So Wizards of the Coast is a greedy shitty company… But that’s not why we’re leaving them!
“I’m leaving my abusing piece of shit husband, but not because he’s abusive! It’s because I want a new relationship.”
Edit: before you downvoted me… You guys are aware of the shit WotC tries to pull right? Like that time they tried to make it so they own any licenses that have anything to do with D&D? They’re extremely greedy and draconian when it comes to licensing, why would anyone want to be in bed with them longer than they have to be? It’s like if Melania Trump left her husband and said “It’s not Donald, it’s me”.
GodzillaUK
Is anyone really crying over a company saying “We conquered this hill, time to find a new challenge to make our jobs seem meaningful and not stagnant” ? Or is it just a few manbabies whining they won’t get more of the same thing and throwing tantrums on social media?
Scottcmms2023
They made an amazing game that I’ll love for years. I’m not going to be upset at them wanting to do something different. I’ll gladly wait and see what they make next.
OneLastSpartan
Sure it isn’t. Surely it isn’t. lol
Kitakitakita
I really don’t get why this is an issue. Bioware did the same thing decades ago. MtG is expensive to work with, and Larian has already proven themselves to be capable without the IP. BG3 just put them in more people’s computers. There’s no reason NOT to go back to Divinity with this much of a following.
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Wizards of the Coast may not be the problem, but Hasbro sure is.
Corporate greed being bad and omni-present in companies as big as hasbro aside;
Sequels that are forced out are almost always bad – look at Dragon Age 2. I’d much rather they made a game they were excited for.
> “Reading the reddit threads, I would like to clear up something,” Vincke said. “WOTC is not to blame for us taking a different direction. On the contrary, they really did their best and have been a great licensor for us, letting us do our thing. This is because it’s what’s best for Larian.
Sounds like the choice not to make further DLC or sequels was indeed overall an in-house decision to move ahead with other projects.
I’m glad They didn’t sellout to the losers of Wotc
BG3 is just a winning formula. They could make a game in any universe and it would be a success if it used that same formula.
Imagine a Star Wars game or something, it would absolutely cook.
Why pay licensing fees, when you can make dirty amounts of money now that your studio is a house hold name
reddit being *so certain* of something absurd only to have the man himself show up and tell them that they – *specifically* reddit – are dead wrong will never not be funny.
This wasn’t a huge surprise, Swen has talked about how they had a lot of cool ideas that they had to put on the backburner since they needed to stick to DnD 5e for BG3 (and even then they took some *massive* liberties with the system). They probably want to put those ideas to use.
They have that name recognition now in the greater gaming sphere, nut just in the CRPG circle like they had before, and introduced a ton of people to the genre. May as well run with that and start seeing if they can use that popularity to boost their own decades old IP, or maybe even start something new.
Personally I’m happy to see them split.
BG3 is a masterpiece, but I want independent studios to remain as independent as possible, including focusing on their own IP instead of licensing. I’d say Cyberunk and The Witcher are the rare exception cuz CDPR does those so well and seems to care about the IP a lot. But Larian can take a lot of what they learned from BG3 and use it to make a Divinity 3 or try something new.
Now im convinced wotc sent the pinkertons to intimidate him into making that statement.
Can it be my turn to repost this tomorrow?
If thats the case why the teasing for dlc or a sequel in the epilogue they added. I aint buying it. Id wager its some level of “you need to handle this before it gets out hand” by PR
I don’t think it matters whether they are responsible or not. The fact that so many people came up to that conclusion so quickly is proof of how badly they are viewed as a company after trying to screw everyone so badly.
As a MTG fan I can say, Hasbro WOTC is shit. I recently quit MTG after years and years of playing due to the various changes and decisions they have made over the last 5 years. It is honestly not the same game as it was.
That being said, I also don’t think WotC is the reason behind Larian leaving BG. BG3 is an amazing game, and honestly doesn’t need any DLC or expansions. It is a complete game you can enjoy time and time again. Larian also has their own worlds they can return to or can create new worlds. Their team is great, and with BG3’s success their name is well known now. They don’t need the D&D license to carry them, and the less chiefs making a dish, the better focused it can be.
Aka yes they were to blame.. Swen taking the high road
Isn’t this exactly what an exec would say to save themselves from a huge PR nightmare?
I wouldn’t wanna hitch my wagon to wotc either
People still hanging on to a very broad misunderstanding of the open license agreement dust up from last year and making WOTC out to be the bad guys regardless of sense.
So Wizards of the Coast is a greedy shitty company… But that’s not why we’re leaving them!
“I’m leaving my abusing piece of shit husband, but not because he’s abusive! It’s because I want a new relationship.”
Edit: before you downvoted me… You guys are aware of the shit WotC tries to pull right? Like that time they tried to make it so they own any licenses that have anything to do with D&D? They’re extremely greedy and draconian when it comes to licensing, why would anyone want to be in bed with them longer than they have to be? It’s like if Melania Trump left her husband and said “It’s not Donald, it’s me”.
Is anyone really crying over a company saying “We conquered this hill, time to find a new challenge to make our jobs seem meaningful and not stagnant” ? Or is it just a few manbabies whining they won’t get more of the same thing and throwing tantrums on social media?
They made an amazing game that I’ll love for years. I’m not going to be upset at them wanting to do something different. I’ll gladly wait and see what they make next.
Sure it isn’t. Surely it isn’t. lol
I really don’t get why this is an issue. Bioware did the same thing decades ago. MtG is expensive to work with, and Larian has already proven themselves to be capable without the IP. BG3 just put them in more people’s computers. There’s no reason NOT to go back to Divinity with this much of a following.