What are your feelings about songbird?

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  1. ArcadianAbstraction

    It really depends on what ending you got, but you cannot fault her for doing what anyone else would – anything to get out of a shitty situation.

  2. GeneticSplatter

    Tragic Villain. She’s had to do alot of bad things to alot of bad people, gotten innocent people killed in the crossfire; and was put in that position by Myers and Reed. She has no one she can trust, and desperate to save herself.

    And personally, I feel like that’s the theme of PL. Trust.

  3. Up until the very end I didn’t trust her. I didn’t trust reed either though. Figured both would betray me in the end anyway so at that point I had nothing to lose, but she did. So I sided with her. Hearing reeds and myers conversation as well made me realise she was just an instrument to them but so was reed at that point. Then the gut punch when she finally admitted it, like V says, if she’d told me the truth I’d have helped her anyway after learning everything.

    Desperate people do desperate things. This was her one and only chance to escape that life and she took it. I think she’s genuinely sorry at the end as she didn’t have to tell you and she gave you the opportunity to turn her in. She could have just got on the ship and never looked back.

    I think I made the right decision rescuing her and don’t know if I could ever do a playthrough where I don’t. As much as she lied about everything, in the end I just felt sorry for her.

  4. radbae1138

    Very very very flawed and complex character. VERY well written. All her endings are incredibly interesting and thought provoking.

  5. Rantroper

    A pretty face that refuses to be held accountable for her actions and overestimates her ability to manipulate people. The best ending is siding with Reed and mercy-killing her.

  6. DevilLilith

    I chose to betray her since she talked about killing the people above you in the stadium without remorse.

    That said I fulfilled her wish later. I think that was a fitting ending for her. >!Regardless of what she did I didn’t want Myers to profit from her and she died with dignity instead of being kept in prison forever. It was the freedom she deserved.!<

  7. TheRealestCapta1n

    Honestly, I feel like most of her problems are consequences of her own actions, tho most of the time her consequences seem too severe.

  8. SomeBoringKindOfName

    send her to the moon or put her out of her misery.

  9. Fuck her.

    I took her to Reed, she fooled me

  10. Demonking3343

    I feel bad for her but I think by the time V meets her it’s already too late to save her. I think a lot of her actions in the DLC were not entirely her own. I think she was being manipulated by a A.I.

  11. ExplosiveIronSN

    After playing 2 characters, one where i fully trusted her, and one where i didn’t.

    It feels like such a different experience. If you don’t trust her, she almost understands it? And you feel bad, but like you’ve done the right thing, Reed is hiding something, but he’s human. >! When you do the NUSA main ending, he’s almost like someone you can’t fully trust, but you’re safe around !<

    If you fully trust her, it makes Reed feel super manipulative. And that So Mi is in such a state where it’s reasonable. >! And even though she betrays you, you can understand since you’re in the same position, just in different circumstances !<

    Just having different viewpoints made her feel extremely in depth, honestly being one of CD PR’s greatest characters. She’s an amazing character, and a perfect character in a Cyberpunk world

  12. kingofgama

    People are really downplaying here, Songbird killing nearly 1000 innocent people as a distraction is very ruthless…

  13. Unpopular opinion but never liked her. I knew from the start there was something off about her, everything she said seemed so ingenuine and idk what it was but i just knew everything with her was just some massive bullshit. Only took her side cos I wanted to complete the endings for that 100% steam achievement

  14. DryDig4310

    I feel like I shouldn’t have gone against her I’m not sure tho, cause I feel like I couldn’t trust her.

    As much as you can’t trust her you also can’t trust Reed. Story wise, PL deserves at least two playthroughs. Gonna try and play songbirds side.

  15. Basalisk88

    I don’t like her necessarily but I empathize with her too much to not help her out.

  16. TysonsChickenNuggets

    I dont hate her, and to a degree, I understand why she would make the choices that she did, but it seems like she didn’t want the consequences of said choices. Yes, she was manipulated, but she’s smart enough to understand that she was.

    She also lies and commits atrocities for the sake of herself, and again, she’s smart enough to understand that. I feel sad that she had a difficult life, but I can’t condone her behavior in the slightest, especially towards V. She was essentially free after the chimera incident, and had she trusted us (like we trusted her), we could have found a common ground somewhere for a cure. Instead, she went along with Kurt, lied to us a multitude of times, but still expected sympathy.

    This is a pet-peeve for me in real life. Essentially, not keeping the energy you give out. Dont make us the bad guy for betraying you when that’s all you’ve been doing and continue to do. So her flashback, while sad, kinda rang hollow for me.

    The best ending, imo is mercy killing her. She also kinda gives me if Lucy never met the edgerunners vibes.

  17. AllISeeAreGems

    I want to like her but I also don’t approve of a lot of her methods. But on the other hand I can’t help but sympathize for her plight either :/

  18. SpaceTacoTV

    I helped her until [redacted]. I felt like our ends were much the same, even if her means were a bit fucked up. Unfortunately I played my V a bit more ruthlessly, and once [redacted], I couldnt help her any further.

  19. Trusted her because she seemed far more honest than Reed (plus we had something big in common; saving ourselves) >!Uuuuntil she revealed she lied and screwed us over BIG TIME. That was when i turned her in, see how she likes being stabbed in the back.!<

    >!Funny thing is, If she had been 100% honest from the start, i would probably still have chosen her side, because she clearly has a sympathetic story!<

  20. Spopenbruh

    there is never a second in the game she isnt lying to atleast someone genuinely one of the least trustworthy characters i know of

  21. bluebadge

    She might have been a good person originally but her experience with the agency, work beyond the blackwall, and level of chrome left her inhuman. Whatever she brought back across the wall wasn’t *good* and she manipulated V and others to get what she/it wanted.

  22. Patrick_Slovak

    If she offered me a cool SMG I’d consider going with her more often.

  23. Hot_Ad_865

    At every moment to redeem herself she didn’t. She’s a flakey problem.

  24. lickmnut

    I don’t care how many times she lies or manipulates me I’m taking her to the moon she deserves a happy ending

  25. matgopack

    Mostly I feel sorry for her. She’s a bit of a parallel to V, if they were dying but unable to act themselves openly.

    Overall my opinion was initially finding her very sketchy – made me suspicious of her actual motives, and she seemed to be pretty much manipulating you. But once we got to her revealing more of the reasoning behind it – that she’s trying to get free of the NUSA and not die, and the Blackwall connection… well, at that point I got a lot more understanding.

    The reveal in the ending portions – that the AI can only be used to cure one of you – is not too surprising to me, but also didn’t change my opinion of her. She’s backed into a corner, and basically trusts V as far as she can anyone else. Giving her a second chance is a hopeful ending I feel, and in universe the solution doesn’t sound as guaranteed to work on V (while we know from the ending that it does work, at the moment of the decision I think it’s up in the air).

  26. Tesser_Wolf

    That’s a tough one. On one hand she lied to us, but on the other she was used for years as a weapon and just wanted a way out and leave that life.

  27. crover13

    She’s a survivor just like V, I know I have to stab someone’s in the back….but to getting stab it the last moment and beg for salvation from me leaves a bitter taste…to the moon and look at me, a gonk in the dirt as a blaze Arasaka on fire solo.

    Redo it and get the 2 years ending and somehow it was worth it in the end tho.

  28. Sujirokimimamii

    SPOILERS: best charachter in PL and second overall (first is johnny)

    my personal favorite ending is helping reed but then at the cynosure let her die…

    i dont think she’ll be free in the moon, she will only end up being used by someone else

  29. malyszkush

    I knew getting help was too good to be true, so since the very beginning I was skeptical about her. Turns out she turned on Reed for recruiting and training her? Which i understand she didnt want that, but Reed never had bad intentions. After essentially leaving him for dead on the train, its clear to me she was just a trigger happy bitch with a petty grudge.

    I went with Reed, knowing full well he was a NUSA puppet, but i at least knew he never wanted to do anything to physically hurt or torment Songbird- even after the events that unfolded on that train 7 years prior.

    Ended up saving So Mi after she went full haywire on us (that horrorbot gives me PTSD but that was such a well designed level). Reed seemed so depressed that he let her down. When the president came to give me a medal i basically told her to fuck off. I knew she was the schematic mastermind to this entire disastrous shit-show of a debacle.

    I got the “Who wants to live forever” main game ending where im told by Reed i can get fixed up properly. Ive played it, i have my thoughts, so i will warn that there are spoilers ahead.

    >! You basically become a full organic no-chrome vegetable after the surgery. You wake up after a 2-year coma. All of your friends either moved on, forgot about you, or couldnt care less that you’re still alive. You go back to Vik in NC and hes accepted the corpo lifestyle and basically became a sellout. He cant fix you up, NUSA basically nerfs V to oblivion to become as useless as the average Joe asking for chump change in the alleys. You leave his clinic all depressed and down, feeling hopeless. Misty disagreed with Vik’s whole situation, so she up and left basically. You see V get jumped and knocked out by some barebones thugs (i think you can talk it out, but i might have fucked that up lol) they would normally flatline within a second. Misty comes from nowhere, wakes you up and helps you up. Talks to you for a bit, says shes moving to Poland. You walk her to her car and basically let her go. You only really have Vik and that didnt even end all too well. The final cutscene pan’s to post-surgery buzzcut V just walking off into the crowd, blending in like a regular NPC. This ending was so well written and really leaves you absolutely gutted, but i dont think it’s canon. I do like theres another ending, and it tugs at your heart strings talking to your friends almost forget about you over the phone at langley. Its not what i was expecting, it was just so fucking gutting. I have a theory that V goes back to Langley and accepts the desk job that Reed offered after V woke up from the coma. I also heard somewhere that V was nerfed by NUSA because shes seen as a “threat”, but when they need a sleeper agent, they can chrome you out and send you out on missions under their control, which is everything Johnny was against. Its just depressing as fuck tbh. !<

  30. Lanky_Ad_7579

    I like her as a tragic villain. She is and will always be dangerous to herself and others. She learns nothing if you help her, and I don’t think she deserves to escape the consequences of her actions. She chose to use the Blackwall, go through with all those body modifications, and put her survival before everything and everyone.

    If you help her, up until the end, it feels like she is manipulating you, going as far as telling the truth only when we can’t really confront her about it. You don’t even get to discuss many details or ask that many questions if you side with her. You actually learn more about her by siding with Reed.

    By the end, we don’t even get properly contacted by her in any meaningful way. She may just have become a puppet of the Blackwall and sends us some kind of “payment” to clear her conscience.

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