Twistzz: “Before any map pool changes happen, Mr12 and the economy needs to be revaluated”
Twistzz: “Before any map pool changes happen, Mr12 and the economy needs to be revaluated”
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The problem with MR15 was time. So much time is wasted in CS game when played optimally – thus pro games take ages. I pause my stream then come back and skip through saves / round ends and I can go through 15 minutes each map.
If we allowed players to retreat to spawn to skip a round / save, then we could shave off lots of wasted time.
Twistzz is a known complainer so this might come across as him just being himself but he’s right. 1400 loss bonus should not be a thing in mr12. Double saves shouldn’t be a thing.
I don’t think we need MR15 back but we defenitly need to rethink economy.
I honestly think the $1400 bonus (0 loss bonus) should be removed from the game, have it start at $1900 and never decrease below that. That way we would still have eco rounds but the following buy round will always be decent, with utility to use. Even better, round it up to $2000 – $2500 – $3000 and $3500 loss bonuses
Agree. The ability to come back on MR15 is undeniable.
He’s right for once. 1400 loss bonus is abysmal. You can see what just happened in on D2 during the major. Vitality has 5 CT rounds, lose one, win the next, then lose again and they’re on pistols. Absolutely stupid
back to mr15, change round timer back to 1:45, change timeouts back to 1 per map, remove inferno.
BRING BACK MR15, FCK THIS VALORANT TYPE SHIT
Anybody who thinks MR 12 is good, let’s face it, is bad at the game, and if they think getting 3 less rounds a half makes the game good
We routinely saw teams go 12-3 or 11-4 and still come down to the last round. Unfortunately the economy is geared towards MR15 which is what made us competitive and fun
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Was an obviously terrible decision to remove MR15 with no economy changes.
All they’ve done since is take away $200 from T’s (which didn’t even do anything), make the incendiary €100 cheaper but infinitely worse to the point it’s almost not worth using and change the FAMAS from unusable to just bad.
They need to stop being cowards and make sweeping changes and just be willing to change it back if they’re wrong. We don’t need a year of $3,000 A4 to know it needed to be 2.9, we don’t need a year of an unusable grenade, we don’t need 2 years of MR12.
What was wrong with MR15?
mr12 is about 80% of my issue right now.
It used to be possible to go 8-3 down, bust out a buy, and go on the end of the half run 8-7 going into pistol.
Now, the team that’s down 8-3 finally wins their force, and it’s half. Even if that force finally broke the enemy eco. Instead of 8-7 and tight games you’re getting 8-4 and one side cant really undo that.
Slap that on top of pistol/economy issues, and you have a pistol round gifting you an 11-4 lead in a grand final. A lead that 2 years ago would’ve been 11-7, is now a blowout. Just annoying to watch for anyone who’s not glazing for Val and short attention spans.
Bring back MR15 with shorter rounds and shorter utility duration
I miss MR15 every single day playing CS. (When not playing cheaters)
Also all major grand finals need to be BO5’s!
Also all major grand finals need to be BO5’s!
maybe an unpopular opinion but I like mr12. it’s a lot more convenient as a casual player and allows bo3/bo5s within reasonable time for pros. a bump to the initial loss bonus makes the most sense imo
I’m cool with MR12, but $1400 loss bonus shouldn’t exist. I think that would fix the game right there
they need to make some changes, as a premier grinder I myself don’t mind mr12 but there has to be changes to famas, galil needs to be expensive and smoke’s duration should be reduced
Even if you remove 1400 loss bonus, ct buy is still limited, you either get m4+helmet+kit/smoke/2 flashes against ak’s or m4+kevlar+750 worth of util and get 1 tapped by galil
And ct molly is still useless
no room for epic comebacks in mr12. please come back mr15!!
Man I miss mr15, momentum swings felt real with the extra rounds
valve: lelele i cant hear you 👉😜👈
If we’re sticking with MR12 which I’m fine with, can we please just get bloody BO5 major finals?
And while we’re at it, can we please bring back MR5 16k overtime?
Saving on the 2nd round of OT is so fucking boring to watch
1400 loss bonus is just so dumb now
Bring back mr15
After that, fix the map pool lol
We should never have to double save with 1400 + 1900 loss bonus and still not be able to afford a decent gun round on CT
Get rid of mr12 please
PLEASEEE VOLVO REWORK ECONOMY SO WE SEE LESS BORING SAVE GAMES AND MAKE MAJOR GRAND FINALS BO5!!!!
i liked the longer matches
Mr15 was better for strategy but I really enjoy the shorter time commitment of mr12
MR12 is wack. Won both pistol and anti eco get you 4~6rounds, thats already halfway for the entire map.
Yeah. It’s pretty dumb to see CTs get steamrolled just because of shit economy. And MR12 can almost spell a death sentence because or one bad round. And the major having BO1s means people’s careers can be very quickly ruined just because of one bad round.
Mr12 never needed to happen, put it down like a sick dog please
It’s almost like the half baked, half assed changes that they did in the transition to the new game wasn’t enough to make this shit ready for prime time.
almost no one buys the galil though?
Major playoffs should be BO5
Cs was built on 12 round halves
Leave it. 15 round halves take for fuckin ever
MR15 and fix the damn movement issue!
I thought they’d have this sorted out by now. I understand leaving the game alone for the first major while pros figure out the game and the meta develops, but 3 majors deep and minimal changes?? C’mon now.
kms when they will eventually realise how OP the galil is and change the price to 2300$
I think you need to address one of the two.
If you want to keep MR12, that’s alright but you need to sort the economy out – it absolutely does not fit the shorter game format.
If you want to leave the economy as is, then go back to MR15.
To me, I think its more likely they opt for the former scenario (and tbh, I like the shorter format, it’s just the economy that ruins it).
BASED take from Twistzz (mostly). I still want to see more regular map pool updates, just fix the economy at the same time!
Problem is this is all in good if the scoreline is 5-4 for example. But if a team is leading by 6-1, really need that economy break to catch up. Without economy break, it will be a “forgone conclusion” to take lead against team like Vitality when they can always buy.
i don’t think MR12 is the issue here. I think it comes down to the economy.
Twistzz slaps his own ass during sex
WTF is these dumb numbers for loss bonus too? 1400,1900,2400? Why the hell didn’t they just do 15,2k,25
The only economy update that is needed is this:
**Remove the aimpunch.
**This makes buys without armor viable.
It also makes smgs viable as a second order effect.