Nobody wants the circuit to be closed. RMR style is technically better. If they want to keep invites for stage3 and have the rest play out for stages 1 and 2 seedings it’s fine. Don’t cancel MRQs
ProteinPony
Didn’t AUS teams abuse the asian minor for long enough? Greyhound and renegades should have used the major money to become better but instead accomplished nothing. I would love to see a good AUS team for diversity reasons but they should be top 20 and not some 0/3 guarantee for pick em.
Plennhar
> RMR quals (the heart of cs)
lol
blueshark27
I get the argument for them, but for too long we’ve had teams like flyquest qualify by playing against amature faceit stacks, and then lose every single best of 3 year on year while an arbitrary cut off is applied for EU making it a more difficult tournament than the first 2 stages of the major.
jfbad
In my opinion the major should be seen as the best tournament of the year and it should have the best teams of that year. I’d rather see the teams who invest into rosters and grind the whole year be rewarded instead of teams made with the main goal to just maybe qualify through the rmrs and get sticker money
xijinpingisgood
Bro, CS tournaments are already the most minor-region-friendly events out there. Have you ever seen an Australian team on the T1 stage in Valorant? Even though Valorant is more popular than CS in Australia, Australian teams get zero opportunities. Australian players can only scatter to other regions like the Chinese league, EMEA, or Americas. Seriously
mnjvon
If they stop the dog shit BO1s I would be more inclined to agree. The only good thing about random BO1 upsets is seeing Astralis get owned repeatedly.
brianstormIRL
Sorry but I’m sick of watching teams play a bunch of online 5 stacks thrown together with sticky tape to fluke a couple of online wins to qualify for the biggest event in the calendar then getting blown apart at the major.
I’m sick of bedroom orgs (and even “big” orgs) throwing teams together at the last moment in a desperate attempt to qualify for a major sticker money payday, then disband the moment they fail.
The major is supposed to be the best teams possible. Having online qualifiers for the Major is just too much random chaos bullshit where flukes can happen. It’s supposed to be the 32 best teams of the season, not “who got lucky in a qualifier”. If you want to qualify for the major, fucking grind. There is nothing stopping you from grinding online events to qualify for tournaments which offer good VRS points. Yes there is an issue where regions offer more of those LAN events than other regions, but that’s just reality of regional play and popularity of the game. This isn’t supposed to be a cakewalk. You’re supposed to battle your way to the top, not get lucky in an online qualifier for the biggest event on the calendar.
There’s some stuff to be figured out, but this is for the better long term health of the scene to get rid of this stupid “all in for the major” mentality a bunch of orgs and players have. Get a roster and start grinding. You can still qualify for T2 events and personally I think all T1 non major events should have qualifier events where a set number of slots (say 4 of 24) are reserved for teams who can qualify. This gives T2 and under teams legitimate ways to get into T1 events and earn good VRS points.
This is a good change. It incetivises teams to stick together longer and not put all their eggs in one major sized basket. The major is for the 32 best teams, simple as that really.
Few_Introduction1044
The ranking itself isn’t a problem, the issue is how to make the points distribution fairer with tournaments. A team constantly winning tier 2 tournaments should have a VRS position to make it to Cologne, and by having a good performance in these tier 1 events, make it to the major.
Gigusx
I can see why he’d be salty considering he fell to Flyquest in the final qualifier match into the Major, but his team has barely played any matches this year and has only been winning Oceania qualifiers (that qualifies them into closed or Asian qualifiers). The fact they even had a chance at the major was the inflated VRS from >200 to ~45 after they won some small Australian LAN [where 6/8 teams weren’t even ranked in 200](https://imgur.com/a/PXDYKZ8). The circle he’s referring to should be the last of his team’s worries.
In other words, git gud (and actually grind).
PanasGOD
This is beggining of the end of cs2. Bad decisions after bad decisions. For past 2 years game is not even fun to Play and soon IT will be not even fun to watch.
FalloutFPS
As a big golf fan, there is a similar situation going on there. Monday Qualifiers where local players can qualify into the tournament by being one of the top 2 players on Monday, and can get into the tournament field.
They’re cutting that out from the PGA, and it is incredibly sad to see. Some of the best stories we have come from lower division teams and players rising up to the occasion and doing special things — I don’t want to stop seeing that.
YoRt3m
I must say, I have no clue about any of this. I don’t know what any of these words mean (RMR MRQ VRS) and this is the first major I see and I pretty enjoy it (I play CS for many years tho). I like the concept of teams from different countries more than the mixed teams, but I also like to see players from my country in those mixed teams because my country doesn’t have a team like some few countries have in this major. so I don’t know what qualify it as a regions teams except those who are fully from a specific country.
I also like that stages 1-2 have underdogs but also some “famous” teams, and they save the big guns for the last stage. all of this is very new to me but it looks fine as it is so I don’t know what I’m missing like people who know all these details on this sub.
What am I missing in the current major?
Serion512
Honestly I dig the idea of VRS on paper. The best teams in the online circuit getting the chance over the randomness of BO1 open qualifiers. However the online tier 2 ecosystem is just so brutal and unforgiving that even teams that would probably do really well on tier 1 events get stuck under the top 30. I think we still need open qualifiers to diversify the teams attending biggest events of the year
typokeke
People still think in 2025 that Valve cares about this game :Dd
Jesturrrr
How quickly people forget that the RMRs were terrible – rife with cheating and bedroom scam orgs trying to fluke their way into the major. It’s no coincidence that a lot of orgs mysteriously shut down after Valve stopped the RMRs because there’s no chance of them now getting a huge payday only to fuck off the moment the major’s over. Even without these problems, the RMRs were so sprawling and massive that it was impossible to _not_ have a shit format that allows for flukes. Have we just forgotten that NIP missed 2 majors despite being actually decent all season long and got knocked out because they had to play online BO1s against very questionable ESEA mix teams?
The VRS has problems, definitely. But teams have already proven that it is possible to break into this “bubble” Savage is talking about because NIP already did it and it only took them six months. The whole idea of the VRS is to get the best teams at the best events and make the major the real world finals where the best teams in the world all are. Ideally – if you aren’t at these events it’s because you’re not good enough. Sorry.
Realistically speaking the biggest problem with the VRS rn is that there’s no incentive for TOs to put on Tier 2/3 LANs for these teams to allow these teams to get points, nor is there an incentive for TOs to have open qualification for wildcard spots. But the fact of the matter is that the major _shouldn’t_ be equal opportunity and equal chance. It’s the world final. If you’re not good enough across an entire season to make it then you shouldn’t be there and it’s that simple.
chrisgcc
i like the qualifiers. you shouldnt have to grind for a whole season. a newly formed team should be able to get there if they are good enough. we want the best teams, not the most stable good teams. you should have to win to get in.
DuckSwagington
RMRs were NOT the heart of CS lmao. No one liked them apart from the T2/3 teams who saw it as an opportunity to make a quick buck by shithousing a flawed qualification format and go to a tournement that had the biggest payout out of any in the scene. The only people mad about the RMRs/MRQs disappearing are the people who used to abused them.
TheUHO
The issues with VRS become 10-times worse in OQs and online RMRs, since they are a one-time thing and you absolutely can’t fix half of the problems on the fly.
And no, below top-10 maybe top-15 these days, teams fall and rise, names constantly shifting. And all you need is to get to top-32. Pretty doable. Small orgs/teams will remain small in any system unless you police transfer market like crazy. If you make to playoffs of a Major but don’t have money, you will be bought by those who have.
Sensitive-Rock-7664
RMRs wwre invented in 2020 lol this is just a big fkn joke
TheOriginalMarra
Guys, this might be off topic. But with VRS, does that mean that there is now a garuanteed 0% chance that there will ever be a south african team in the major? We have like 1-2 B tier (arguably at best) tournaments here, even if we are the biggest region in Sub Saharan Africa the playerbase is pretty small. So I cant think that these tournaments will add VRS points? Does that mean that the dream is over for the region?
Auzmos
The main point is literally to just have LAN MRQs in each region. Savage isn’t asking for RMRs to return lmao. Having the MRQs be on LAN makes literally everyone happy no?
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who is this guy?
Word.
Nobody wants the circuit to be closed. RMR style is technically better. If they want to keep invites for stage3 and have the rest play out for stages 1 and 2 seedings it’s fine. Don’t cancel MRQs
Didn’t AUS teams abuse the asian minor for long enough? Greyhound and renegades should have used the major money to become better but instead accomplished nothing. I would love to see a good AUS team for diversity reasons but they should be top 20 and not some 0/3 guarantee for pick em.
> RMR quals (the heart of cs)
lol
I get the argument for them, but for too long we’ve had teams like flyquest qualify by playing against amature faceit stacks, and then lose every single best of 3 year on year while an arbitrary cut off is applied for EU making it a more difficult tournament than the first 2 stages of the major.
In my opinion the major should be seen as the best tournament of the year and it should have the best teams of that year. I’d rather see the teams who invest into rosters and grind the whole year be rewarded instead of teams made with the main goal to just maybe qualify through the rmrs and get sticker money
Bro, CS tournaments are already the most minor-region-friendly events out there. Have you ever seen an Australian team on the T1 stage in Valorant? Even though Valorant is more popular than CS in Australia, Australian teams get zero opportunities. Australian players can only scatter to other regions like the Chinese league, EMEA, or Americas. Seriously
If they stop the dog shit BO1s I would be more inclined to agree. The only good thing about random BO1 upsets is seeing Astralis get owned repeatedly.
Sorry but I’m sick of watching teams play a bunch of online 5 stacks thrown together with sticky tape to fluke a couple of online wins to qualify for the biggest event in the calendar then getting blown apart at the major.
I’m sick of bedroom orgs (and even “big” orgs) throwing teams together at the last moment in a desperate attempt to qualify for a major sticker money payday, then disband the moment they fail.
The major is supposed to be the best teams possible. Having online qualifiers for the Major is just too much random chaos bullshit where flukes can happen. It’s supposed to be the 32 best teams of the season, not “who got lucky in a qualifier”. If you want to qualify for the major, fucking grind. There is nothing stopping you from grinding online events to qualify for tournaments which offer good VRS points. Yes there is an issue where regions offer more of those LAN events than other regions, but that’s just reality of regional play and popularity of the game. This isn’t supposed to be a cakewalk. You’re supposed to battle your way to the top, not get lucky in an online qualifier for the biggest event on the calendar.
There’s some stuff to be figured out, but this is for the better long term health of the scene to get rid of this stupid “all in for the major” mentality a bunch of orgs and players have. Get a roster and start grinding. You can still qualify for T2 events and personally I think all T1 non major events should have qualifier events where a set number of slots (say 4 of 24) are reserved for teams who can qualify. This gives T2 and under teams legitimate ways to get into T1 events and earn good VRS points.
This is a good change. It incetivises teams to stick together longer and not put all their eggs in one major sized basket. The major is for the 32 best teams, simple as that really.
The ranking itself isn’t a problem, the issue is how to make the points distribution fairer with tournaments. A team constantly winning tier 2 tournaments should have a VRS position to make it to Cologne, and by having a good performance in these tier 1 events, make it to the major.
I can see why he’d be salty considering he fell to Flyquest in the final qualifier match into the Major, but his team has barely played any matches this year and has only been winning Oceania qualifiers (that qualifies them into closed or Asian qualifiers). The fact they even had a chance at the major was the inflated VRS from >200 to ~45 after they won some small Australian LAN [where 6/8 teams weren’t even ranked in 200](https://imgur.com/a/PXDYKZ8). The circle he’s referring to should be the last of his team’s worries.
In other words, git gud (and actually grind).
This is beggining of the end of cs2. Bad decisions after bad decisions. For past 2 years game is not even fun to Play and soon IT will be not even fun to watch.
As a big golf fan, there is a similar situation going on there. Monday Qualifiers where local players can qualify into the tournament by being one of the top 2 players on Monday, and can get into the tournament field.
They’re cutting that out from the PGA, and it is incredibly sad to see. Some of the best stories we have come from lower division teams and players rising up to the occasion and doing special things — I don’t want to stop seeing that.
I must say, I have no clue about any of this. I don’t know what any of these words mean (RMR MRQ VRS) and this is the first major I see and I pretty enjoy it (I play CS for many years tho). I like the concept of teams from different countries more than the mixed teams, but I also like to see players from my country in those mixed teams because my country doesn’t have a team like some few countries have in this major. so I don’t know what qualify it as a regions teams except those who are fully from a specific country.
I also like that stages 1-2 have underdogs but also some “famous” teams, and they save the big guns for the last stage. all of this is very new to me but it looks fine as it is so I don’t know what I’m missing like people who know all these details on this sub.
What am I missing in the current major?
Honestly I dig the idea of VRS on paper. The best teams in the online circuit getting the chance over the randomness of BO1 open qualifiers. However the online tier 2 ecosystem is just so brutal and unforgiving that even teams that would probably do really well on tier 1 events get stuck under the top 30. I think we still need open qualifiers to diversify the teams attending biggest events of the year
People still think in 2025 that Valve cares about this game :Dd
How quickly people forget that the RMRs were terrible – rife with cheating and bedroom scam orgs trying to fluke their way into the major. It’s no coincidence that a lot of orgs mysteriously shut down after Valve stopped the RMRs because there’s no chance of them now getting a huge payday only to fuck off the moment the major’s over. Even without these problems, the RMRs were so sprawling and massive that it was impossible to _not_ have a shit format that allows for flukes. Have we just forgotten that NIP missed 2 majors despite being actually decent all season long and got knocked out because they had to play online BO1s against very questionable ESEA mix teams?
The VRS has problems, definitely. But teams have already proven that it is possible to break into this “bubble” Savage is talking about because NIP already did it and it only took them six months. The whole idea of the VRS is to get the best teams at the best events and make the major the real world finals where the best teams in the world all are. Ideally – if you aren’t at these events it’s because you’re not good enough. Sorry.
Realistically speaking the biggest problem with the VRS rn is that there’s no incentive for TOs to put on Tier 2/3 LANs for these teams to allow these teams to get points, nor is there an incentive for TOs to have open qualification for wildcard spots. But the fact of the matter is that the major _shouldn’t_ be equal opportunity and equal chance. It’s the world final. If you’re not good enough across an entire season to make it then you shouldn’t be there and it’s that simple.
i like the qualifiers. you shouldnt have to grind for a whole season. a newly formed team should be able to get there if they are good enough. we want the best teams, not the most stable good teams. you should have to win to get in.
RMRs were NOT the heart of CS lmao. No one liked them apart from the T2/3 teams who saw it as an opportunity to make a quick buck by shithousing a flawed qualification format and go to a tournement that had the biggest payout out of any in the scene. The only people mad about the RMRs/MRQs disappearing are the people who used to abused them.
The issues with VRS become 10-times worse in OQs and online RMRs, since they are a one-time thing and you absolutely can’t fix half of the problems on the fly.
And no, below top-10 maybe top-15 these days, teams fall and rise, names constantly shifting. And all you need is to get to top-32. Pretty doable. Small orgs/teams will remain small in any system unless you police transfer market like crazy. If you make to playoffs of a Major but don’t have money, you will be bought by those who have.
RMRs wwre invented in 2020 lol this is just a big fkn joke
Guys, this might be off topic. But with VRS, does that mean that there is now a garuanteed 0% chance that there will ever be a south african team in the major? We have like 1-2 B tier (arguably at best) tournaments here, even if we are the biggest region in Sub Saharan Africa the playerbase is pretty small. So I cant think that these tournaments will add VRS points? Does that mean that the dream is over for the region?
The main point is literally to just have LAN MRQs in each region. Savage isn’t asking for RMRs to return lmao. Having the MRQs be on LAN makes literally everyone happy no?