I think some of people knew about it, but they was accussed of conspiracy theories, but (aluminum foil) hats off, here is why Radeon GPU's have so low market share:
https://imgur.com/a/3AnOh3P
I know, this is in Polish, that my native language, but as you can see, if you have Integrated GPU on your CPU, Steam will read your (for example) 9070XT as AMD Radeon (TM) Graphics. I already reported this on steam, where i could (2 threads, including steam beta channel), but AMD should be also aware, as if there are (Nvidia users says there are) devs that rely on this survey, this damage the market.
If we take in account all data, marked with red from first screenshots, and summ this up, all steam hardware survey looks different:
https://imgur.com/a/LeHZQ5z
And whats strange – data from this survey from linux only shows something different:
https://imgur.com/a/VhcN8Kd
In the end, AMD, according to Steam hardware survey got 17%, but most of radeons are not showing on the list, because of that.
Spread the word, i hope Valve will fix this. For now, only disabling iGPU will "fix this" (no VRAM?)
edit: I can't edit post title, but it looks like issue is happening with Nvidia cards too, unlike I initially thought. also issue happens with any integrated GPU, not only AMD – basically when there are 2 GPUs in the system (including integrated) steam is mixing their data and we got the results in the survey.
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Radeon GPUs _are_ a low proportion of the PC gaming market. Nvidia make more GPUs
The majority of volume is in the OEM prebuilts and laptop market, where Nvidia options dominate, not the DIY market
Developers and publishers typically have access to far better telemetry than the steam hardware survey, which is still a very small sample % of the PC makret
This goes both ways tho
For years my system reported my 4070ti as “amd integrated graphics” because it saw the igpu 🤷♂️
To copy from the radeon sub
>If you look at Vendor/Device ID they are the correct one corresponding to 9070 series (this is the reason as well for why 9070/9070XT are grouped under one name in Linux)
>Radeon TM Graphics ID is 0x15dd (at least what I managed to find)
>Looks like you are running Powercolor 9070XT Hellhound.
AMDs market share dropped to 10% last year.
https://wccftech.com/nvidia-aib-market-share-grow-90-percent-total-gpu-shipments-decline-q3-2024/
There’s no error
I saw this on the Radeon subreddit and it’s pure copium. This exact data can go both ways if the IGPU is on on a Nvidia system too.
Clearly not as many people are buying Radeon cards as they say and they are likely gaslighting people into thinking they did, and I say that as someone who’s owned Radeon GPUs in the past.
I think you’re onto something. I would definitely send this to GN and see what they do with it. Not necessarily groundbreaking, but definitely interesting.
I don’t understand why this is so hard to understand. A very large number of PCs in Steam hardware surveys are net cafe PCs (yes really). They wipe everything every time you use them. Meaning they will be reported more than once. This is why you see cards like 3060 or 4060 that high cause those are used in those types of PCs which again are reported multiple times.
As for AMD cards they are usually 10-30 ish % so 17% might not be completely accurate but it’s not that bad. Since even though 90 cards sell better than 50 cards. None will show up until much later. But you should look into what net cafe uses for GPUs they will be overrepresented and they are usually Nvidia.
Honestly, I think the number of AMD GPUs in the market is that low. In most places, Nvidia have been considered the go to due to quality for a long time and to people who don’t follow reviews and news, they still are. I think it’s only recently that you’re seeing an uptick in interest in AMD cards due to the recent drop in the ratio of cost to quality from Nvidia and even then that’s only in extreme hobbyist circles like this one.
i got vega 11 igpu and steam still report my nvidia card as default
Even if we assume that AMD Radeon(TM) Graphics are dedicated cards only, it gained measly 0.17% since Rx 9070/xt release.
You guys get bothered by the Steam survey way too much.
Is there a way of pinging Steve from GN to alert him that he might want to investigate this…?
If AMD made even half of Nvidia’s sales till last month, they would have had the biggest Radeon segment revenue in their earnings report in history. GeForce made a record quarter so AMD would have obvious gains
It’s pretty weird seeing things like Mindfactory monthly sales where Radeon cards are clearly selling well, and then the Steam hardware survey shows nothing of them at all.
This could be a good explanation.
Doesn’t happen if your turn integrated graphics of in your BIOS
AMD loudmouths shocked to find that their relentless screeching on the internet doesn’t turn into higher sales numbers.
Of all the things to cope over, why cope this hard over the bloody *Steam hardware survey*?
Fellow Pole with a 9070xt, nice
As this is true (my card shows up as “Radeon graphics” in Linux), it still doesn’t really matter that much
AMD cards are in the minority overall
I agree Valve should record it correctly, but be careful what you ask for.
All those AMD CPU (with integrated AMD graphics) + Nvidia GPU might flood the numbers MORE for Nvidia.
Even if AMD somehow doubles their market share to 20%, you’re still better off (initially) optimizing for Nvidia if you’re a game developer.
UPDATE: Report sent to GN.
Issue got fixed on my system, but not sure for how long and when/what can trigger it back with iGPU enabled.
Fix was disabling, restart and re-enabling it back in BIOS. I tried BIOS reset, reinstalling drivers and nothing made it back, so trigger may be something different.
Steam did the same thing with my 4070 TI. It thought I just have an integrated Radeon GPU. There was nowhere I could see to correct it
Devs do not rely on this survey. If they did we would see actual optimized games. Don’t fool yourself into thinking otherwise.
This ain’t it bro. I might be wrong but, this sounds an awful lot like someone that hates and despises Nvidia so much, that when confronted with facts about their dominance, you go hunting for things to disprove it.
Neither, AMD, Intel or Nvidia give a flying fuck about you. They want to make the most money possible, and I’d do the same too.
Nvidia is easily on top, they just revealed they had the biggest gaming bump ever not long ago.
Mark my words, we’re AMD the top dog, they’d do exactly the same.
Go outside and touch some grass, or better yet, open steam and play some games.
None of those companies are worth your mental well-being.
Or wasting energy on hating.
I was accused of being crazy for theorizing that there was a problem like, yesterday lol.
Just based on what we’ve heard from retailers and know about stock counts that they had at launch these cards should be on the hardware survey by now. That was the problem I brought up.
As much as I’d like to see Nvidia lose market share in the end a small shift doesn’t really matter. A generation doesn’t matter. There would have to be a huge shift and trending higher for several generations before Nvidia MIGHT try to get some back.
Nvidia getting bad press is worst for them. They only care about AI. Too much bad press for too long and they would be fine only releasing xx90 and a xx70 with more enterprise production. Eventually only doing a xx90/home enterprise card.
AMD really only cares about CPU and mid/low end cards. They are fine following Nvidia’s lead and gobbling up their crumbs. They have tremendous talent and resources that COULD innovate new technologies or at least participate in the high end market but they don’t want to. The status quo is fine. Investors don’t like risk. The only way AMD gets large market share is if Nvidia let’s them. And I’m an AMD fanboy
17% is about what I’d expect
depending on what source you look at, Nvidia has anywhere from 80-92% marketshare of the gpu market