So could you just wipe your old ones with the steam os? Or is it locked down?
danmanx
Windows is always the problem.
Minimum-Shoulder-192
Windows has been the problem for awhile.
ComplexWrangler1346
Nice
Anni_Binges_Anime
Windows Problem 11
takeitsweazy
Windows is always the problem — until your other OS isn’t well suited to do what you need Windows to do.
Current_Pitch8944
The moment steam os lets me play other games without messing around I’ll never buy windows again.
I think Microsoft knows this is coming
User1a-
You mean the software designed for laptops/desktops doesn’t work well on mobile?
Dangthing
Of course an optimized OS for gaming is going to work better than a generic OS for everything. Even if it wasn’t specifically Windows this would be true. This is why console gaming is so much better than it looks on paper. Many PS5 games are running on like 2-4GB or RAM. If you asked if your gaming PC could play the latest games with 4GB of RAM you’d be laughed out of the room.
GreatnessToTheMoon
Yeah windows is made for desktops and laptops not mobile handhelds. Using the wrong tool for the job doesn’t means it’s bad.
Sorry Reddit, normies aren’t switching to Linux
Gindotto
Right now my 1 year old Windows 11 Certified PC is unable to recognize my new (and the old) Xbox Controller in the Gamepass App to play games on PC, (connects Bluetooth but the app itself says no controller). However, I can connect my controller to my APPLE IPHONE AND PLAY JUST FINE. Fuck Microsoft. I still fuck with their games though. 🤣
Wd91
I don’t know what problems you guys are having with windows tbh. I have a steam deck and a windows PC and i have far less issues gaming on my windows PC. No idea about these windows handhelds though.
Treyen
SteamOS is great for what it can do… there’s a lot it can’t do. Windows is the only real option for a lot of users, just the way they like it.
RO4DHOG
Been installing Windows on computers for 40 years…
Windows works best, when you don’t install anything on it.
The latest terms and conditions, state they monitor and record activity for the purpose of improving the software.
Windows 10 defender told me a Spyware virus was found from an old 2000 game (Operation Flashpoint)… That’s the Pot calling the Kettle Black!!
All the major software developers are following suit, Meta, Valve, etc. all updated their Terms and Conditions to state they are recording user screens which will be used for service and support. Consent to such monitoring or delete the software. Which means the product hardware that was purchased is no longer functional.
I didn’t agree with Valves lateat terms, and I had to delete all 4 of my Steam accounts after 16 years… lost hundreds of dollars worth of software that ‘they own’.
I’ve travelled the world as an IT guy, and I’m outraged by the latest shift in corporate greed. Mobile developers are the worst… and now everything wants me to Scan a QR code. INSANE!
It’s like the people who are employeed to code software, aren’t the people who are using the product. They are Likely on Linux or MAC at home, dual booting into Windows to only play games. Not everyone can do that.
It’s like a company installing cameras in their restrooms and saying ‘Don’t use the bathroom if you don’t consent to being recorded’.
I’m gonna piss on my Windows 11 DVD right about now…
FoooooorYa
Valve built SteamOS specifically for a handheld device, Windows never was designed for handheld hardware. Blaming Windows for poor optimisation and performance on a handheld is like blaming MacOS for running poorly on a custom built PC. I love Linux as much as the next guy but this argument is beyond a reach.
icebergslim3000
No touch pads no buy
Brock_Petrov
I just switched to mint. It’s much better than it was before but Linux is still a shit show.
Posting on to the Linux community is also useless. Unless you want to agro a bunch of autistic, pedantic annoying people that want to lecture and not answer your fking question.
If I wanted to be told how to use my OS I would stay on windows.
LstandsforLandlord
Aqui comentando para acumular karma
Edheldui
Windows looks like a problem…until you try Linux and realize how much worse it is when even the most basic ass stuff requires hourly maintenance to not implode and mess up your OS irreparably.
SelectivelyGood
Gamers are so fucking dumb, I swear to god.
Windows is not _meant_ to run on a handheld. It has bad UX on handhelds. There are also weird TDP bugs with the AMD setups used in devices like the Steam Deck, which causes power drain. This is primarily the fault of the entity providing the Ryzen Zx support stack (by this I mean what people call ‘motherboard drivers’ but also a lot more than that) for Windows, which is AMD.
Modifying the game to improve performance (usually through horrible shader compilation trickery and without the involvement or consent of the software vendor – which any developer will tell you is absolutely fucking insane) and running games through a quasi-legal reverse engineered compatibility layer is sinful. It also completely destroys any foundation of platform trust (from the perspective of the game) making effective anti-cheat — which is to say ‘an anti-cheat scheme where cheats cannot trivially live in kernel space and be invisible to the game’ — impossible.
Valve’s behavior has long been egregious – effectively weaponizing gamers to platform war on their behalf by giving gamers trinkets (small features that gamers want but do not cost Valve much to offer, expenses that they can eat from their 30%) – but the situation with Proton may be a new low.
They did a Wine Fork and put a bunch of work into adding a series of Band-Aids to get a typical Unreal Engine or Unity title up and running — and when a game doesn’t use those engines, it is typically broken under Proton at launch — and shipped a commercial product that relies on a reverse engineered compatibility layer (!!) to function! They then made available – without any kind of consent – games that were never intended to be used on an operating system other than Windows – which is super disrespectful to developers, who now have a new support load to bear. Love 2 deal with people who have problems that are not at all the game’s fault but are the stupid compatibility layer.
Rather than building platform trust – something along the lines of ‘kernel attestation + a lot of SteamOS-specific Linux kernel (and user space) changes to limit user (cheater) access to kernel space when the OS is ran in a secure context’….their ”solution” for anti-cheat is ‘Have our users – who are generally not knowledgeable about this subject but weirdly trust us to be acting in good faith – harass developers/publishers into using trivial to defeat anti-cheat’. Great move, Valve. Thanks for that.
Windows needs work. It needs the handheld it’s getting over the next few years. AMD’s Zx chips need better Windows compatibilty. That doesn’t mean ‘Linux + a storefront vendor that wants you to use their store to launch your games building you an Arch fork’ is the answer.
DigitalGT
Has anyone made a modded windows where the background tasks are shut down and limited? Wonder how well that would compare if at all
The_Advocate07
Is this supposed to be new information? We’ve literally known this for years.
Windows is literally the reason that the Steam Deck is the best handheld gaming device on planet Earth.
UndercoverChef69
Exactly. I gave up pc gaming for console gaming when the pro came out. I do not want to deal with a windows pc ever again.
Broarethus
Not sure why, but windows search seems to suck ass now.
Before I could search whole drive for name of file, and it would be highlighted first spot, now it’s a chore sometimes to locate a file.
ProNerdPanda
Comments here show no one has actually “read the article” (watched the video) because the numbers are literally showing at best a 5% increase in performance and at most (**occasionally**) 15%.
The real only advantage you get is the battery life that comes with less power used, but like, duh? an OS made specifically to run Steam games and optimized for mobile devices is better at handling handheld devices than an OS primarily made for big desktop machines?
Next at 11 fire hot, near fire temperature go up.
Enfosyo
He starts comparing black and white color of the hardware to compare the OS. Who watches this garbage.
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So could you just wipe your old ones with the steam os? Or is it locked down?
Windows is always the problem.
Windows has been the problem for awhile.
Nice
Windows Problem 11
Windows is always the problem — until your other OS isn’t well suited to do what you need Windows to do.
The moment steam os lets me play other games without messing around I’ll never buy windows again.
I think Microsoft knows this is coming
You mean the software designed for laptops/desktops doesn’t work well on mobile?
Of course an optimized OS for gaming is going to work better than a generic OS for everything. Even if it wasn’t specifically Windows this would be true. This is why console gaming is so much better than it looks on paper. Many PS5 games are running on like 2-4GB or RAM. If you asked if your gaming PC could play the latest games with 4GB of RAM you’d be laughed out of the room.
Yeah windows is made for desktops and laptops not mobile handhelds. Using the wrong tool for the job doesn’t means it’s bad.
Sorry Reddit, normies aren’t switching to Linux
Right now my 1 year old Windows 11 Certified PC is unable to recognize my new (and the old) Xbox Controller in the Gamepass App to play games on PC, (connects Bluetooth but the app itself says no controller). However, I can connect my controller to my APPLE IPHONE AND PLAY JUST FINE. Fuck Microsoft. I still fuck with their games though. 🤣
I don’t know what problems you guys are having with windows tbh. I have a steam deck and a windows PC and i have far less issues gaming on my windows PC. No idea about these windows handhelds though.
SteamOS is great for what it can do… there’s a lot it can’t do. Windows is the only real option for a lot of users, just the way they like it.
Been installing Windows on computers for 40 years…
Windows works best, when you don’t install anything on it.
The latest terms and conditions, state they monitor and record activity for the purpose of improving the software.
Windows 10 defender told me a Spyware virus was found from an old 2000 game (Operation Flashpoint)… That’s the Pot calling the Kettle Black!!
All the major software developers are following suit, Meta, Valve, etc. all updated their Terms and Conditions to state they are recording user screens which will be used for service and support. Consent to such monitoring or delete the software. Which means the product hardware that was purchased is no longer functional.
I didn’t agree with Valves lateat terms, and I had to delete all 4 of my Steam accounts after 16 years… lost hundreds of dollars worth of software that ‘they own’.
I’ve travelled the world as an IT guy, and I’m outraged by the latest shift in corporate greed. Mobile developers are the worst… and now everything wants me to Scan a QR code. INSANE!
It’s like the people who are employeed to code software, aren’t the people who are using the product. They are Likely on Linux or MAC at home, dual booting into Windows to only play games. Not everyone can do that.
It’s like a company installing cameras in their restrooms and saying ‘Don’t use the bathroom if you don’t consent to being recorded’.
I’m gonna piss on my Windows 11 DVD right about now…
Valve built SteamOS specifically for a handheld device, Windows never was designed for handheld hardware. Blaming Windows for poor optimisation and performance on a handheld is like blaming MacOS for running poorly on a custom built PC. I love Linux as much as the next guy but this argument is beyond a reach.
No touch pads no buy
I just switched to mint. It’s much better than it was before but Linux is still a shit show.
Posting on to the Linux community is also useless. Unless you want to agro a bunch of autistic, pedantic annoying people that want to lecture and not answer your fking question.
If I wanted to be told how to use my OS I would stay on windows.
Aqui comentando para acumular karma
Windows looks like a problem…until you try Linux and realize how much worse it is when even the most basic ass stuff requires hourly maintenance to not implode and mess up your OS irreparably.
Gamers are so fucking dumb, I swear to god.
Windows is not _meant_ to run on a handheld. It has bad UX on handhelds. There are also weird TDP bugs with the AMD setups used in devices like the Steam Deck, which causes power drain. This is primarily the fault of the entity providing the Ryzen Zx support stack (by this I mean what people call ‘motherboard drivers’ but also a lot more than that) for Windows, which is AMD.
Modifying the game to improve performance (usually through horrible shader compilation trickery and without the involvement or consent of the software vendor – which any developer will tell you is absolutely fucking insane) and running games through a quasi-legal reverse engineered compatibility layer is sinful. It also completely destroys any foundation of platform trust (from the perspective of the game) making effective anti-cheat — which is to say ‘an anti-cheat scheme where cheats cannot trivially live in kernel space and be invisible to the game’ — impossible.
Valve’s behavior has long been egregious – effectively weaponizing gamers to platform war on their behalf by giving gamers trinkets (small features that gamers want but do not cost Valve much to offer, expenses that they can eat from their 30%) – but the situation with Proton may be a new low.
They did a Wine Fork and put a bunch of work into adding a series of Band-Aids to get a typical Unreal Engine or Unity title up and running — and when a game doesn’t use those engines, it is typically broken under Proton at launch — and shipped a commercial product that relies on a reverse engineered compatibility layer (!!) to function! They then made available – without any kind of consent – games that were never intended to be used on an operating system other than Windows – which is super disrespectful to developers, who now have a new support load to bear. Love 2 deal with people who have problems that are not at all the game’s fault but are the stupid compatibility layer.
Rather than building platform trust – something along the lines of ‘kernel attestation + a lot of SteamOS-specific Linux kernel (and user space) changes to limit user (cheater) access to kernel space when the OS is ran in a secure context’….their ”solution” for anti-cheat is ‘Have our users – who are generally not knowledgeable about this subject but weirdly trust us to be acting in good faith – harass developers/publishers into using trivial to defeat anti-cheat’. Great move, Valve. Thanks for that.
Windows needs work. It needs the handheld it’s getting over the next few years. AMD’s Zx chips need better Windows compatibilty. That doesn’t mean ‘Linux + a storefront vendor that wants you to use their store to launch your games building you an Arch fork’ is the answer.
Has anyone made a modded windows where the background tasks are shut down and limited? Wonder how well that would compare if at all
Is this supposed to be new information? We’ve literally known this for years.
Windows is literally the reason that the Steam Deck is the best handheld gaming device on planet Earth.
Exactly. I gave up pc gaming for console gaming when the pro came out. I do not want to deal with a windows pc ever again.
Not sure why, but windows search seems to suck ass now.
Before I could search whole drive for name of file, and it would be highlighted first spot, now it’s a chore sometimes to locate a file.
Comments here show no one has actually “read the article” (watched the video) because the numbers are literally showing at best a 5% increase in performance and at most (**occasionally**) 15%.
The real only advantage you get is the battery life that comes with less power used, but like, duh? an OS made specifically to run Steam games and optimized for mobile devices is better at handling handheld devices than an OS primarily made for big desktop machines?
Next at 11 fire hot, near fire temperature go up.
He starts comparing black and white color of the hardware to compare the OS. Who watches this garbage.