I mean this isn’t necessarily a bad thing, ddr7 is much more efficient than ddr5 and new cards seem to lean into well optimized software to achieve better performance. I’m not a computer part engineer but isn’t the alternative more resource demanding cards? I wouldn’t want to have a 1500watt gpu
KarateMan749
So why has the 9070xt not use gddr7?
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420Aquarist
whats inflation?
macgirthy
I have a 3060, non TI, the fact that it has more vram than a 2025 ’60 card thats TI is insane.
Really fuck ngreedia. We have nobody else to blame tho if we keep buying this garbage. Dont buy this garbage!!!! Get used if you have to. fuck it.
I’ve bought so many used and gotten lucky. Started with a used GTX 480, when i could FINALLY afford a pc, and it took selling a car to get it!!!
Donnattelli
Well again one on this posts… well i don’t want to be defending nvidea, i dont like their business model, but this is just bs and blant lies, lest get to the numbers:
1st 380$ in 2016 is about 520$ today in inflation so the 1070 its more competition to the 5070, which is 280% faster than a 1070.
2nd the 5060 ti in 180/200% faster than a 1070, not 82%.
3rd 8gb gddr7 in not the same as gddr5, if you think is the same it’s because you know nothing about cards.
If you guys want to shit on nvidea, at least compare it like it should be.
F* nvidea but don’t spread misinformation.
Wander715
You can tell 99% of the people on this subreddit don’t understand how Moore’s Law or IO logic scaling works in chip design.
John-333
MSRP?
AVA_AW
Wow, people on this sub defend 8gb VRAM for GPU’s in 2025
AeliosZero
Keep in mind we’ll probably start noticing this more and more as we start hitting the limits of computing power. Unless the way GPUs are made fundamentally changes.
iknowwhoyouaresostfu
the performance increase makes me sad
Consistent_Cat3451
I’m the least so defend the prices and the insanity but there’s something called physics, the jumps are not gonna be as big as they once were.
OutrageousDress
What Moore’s Law does to a mf
Chramir
Sure the gpu market is fucked. But have you heard of nflation? And comparing the memory bus width across memory generations? This infographic is meaningless.
Recent_Delay
Geforce 8800 GTS = 65 nm process size.
GTX 1070 = 16 nm process size.
5060 Ti = 5 nm process size.
What do you expect? lol, same HARDWARE based difference? How? You want GPUs to be made at 0.1nm process size? Or being X10 the size they are?
The reason of new technologies being software based, or IA based is because there’s a LIMIT of how much hardware you can put on a single chipset, and there’s ALSO A LIMIT of how small you can produce the chips and transistors.
It’s like comparing a 1927 Ford T speed to a 1970 Ferrari and comparing that to a 2025 Ferarri.
Of course the speed and motor size increases are not gonna be linear lol.
WalkNo7550
We are approaching the limits of GPU technology, and over the next 8.5 years, the rate of improvement may be even slower than it was in the past 8.5 years—this is a fact.
Rothgardius
Yes. Nvidia is intentionally holding back performance of all cards that are not the 5090. This was true in the 4090 generation as well. They are not interested in creating high performing cards other than their top dog – they are interested in creating a percieved value in the top card by artificially holding back all other SKUs. The 4090 and 5090 look pretty great when you compare them to their contemporaries in benchmarks. When one card does double the other, it’s easier to sell it at ridiculous prices.
If they pushed FPS as much as possible on all skus we wouldn’t upgrade as often, as well. **Amazing GPUs are bad for business.** Keep new SKUs coming, and keep the upgrades as modest as possible (while still being a clear upgrade) – this is Nvidia’s business model for consumer-level products.
masterz13
We know diminishing returns is here. The future is DLSS unless you want to pay in the thousands for significant performance bumps.
Cumcentrator
+209%
not +82%…
ShadowDevoloper
This is a terrible comparison. First off, the clock speed of the RTX 5060 Ti is nearly 1 GHz faster than that of the GTX 1070. The RTX 5060 Ti has almost 15x L2 cache size, double the SMs, 4x the single-precision GFLOPs, twice the CUDA/shader cores 40 million more pixels/sec fillrate. It also has tensor cores, which weren’t even present on the 1070. All of this for (inflation-adjusted) $126 cheaper. Sure, the 5060 Ti may be a terrible-value card today, but let’s not pretend that there weren’t any improvements or innovations.
Redtm17
Let me get this straight – a 1300% performance increase between 8800 GTS and 5060ti for an 8.6% increase in price is bad? Kidding ofc, but also interesting to think about what “required” improvements by gamers means.
n19htmare
Now do an inflation adjusted chart.
Taking “MSRP” at face value:
Today’s $379 is $262 in 2016
Today’s $379 is $248 in 2006
What could you get for $262 and $248 respectively in those years? Just curious.
HappyColt90
The GTX1070 MSRP of 379 bucks adjusted to inflation is slightly over 500 current US dollars… not even going to talk about chip architecture, VRAM speed, nothing, just the price comparison is so wrong that the rest is just not even worth to explain lmao.
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yea this is something i noticed too. while i dont expect em giving over 100gb of vram… idk… 16 at the very least, or even 8gb but for the 5050
I always expected the growth to be exponential but hardware has become very stagnant.
This is a genuine question, not sarcasm,
There has to be some marketing strategy behind NVIDIA only putting 8 GB VRAM on 2025 cards? Like what are they achieving by saving a few dollars
Where are you getting that a 5060ti is only 80% faster than a 1070? That would put it in the same ballpark as a 1080ti.
Also that memory bus part is a bit disingenuous the 1070 could only do 8gbs the 5060ti can do 28gbps because of the much faster memory.
Memory bandwidth is what is important in the end, not just the bus width. GTX 1070 = 256GB/s VS 448GB/s on the 5060 Ti.
Edit: 52GB/s for the 8800GTS.
So it took 8.5 years to go from 1070 to 2080ti performance at the same price point
(About 50% boost in raw raster)
Based on this we can deduce that in another 8.5 years we might get 4080 raw performance at the same price point
RTX 9060ti = 4080
The horse is dead.
You’re only looking at the 8GB value of the GTX 1070 and RTX 5060 while ignoring the two generational leaps from GDDR5 to GDDR7?
||GDDR5|GDDR7|
|:-|:-|:-|
|Clock Speed|7 Gbps|32–36 Gbps|
|Bandwidth (256-bit bus)|224 GB/s|512+ GB/s|
|CAS Latency|14 cycles|10 cycles|
I mean this isn’t necessarily a bad thing, ddr7 is much more efficient than ddr5 and new cards seem to lean into well optimized software to achieve better performance. I’m not a computer part engineer but isn’t the alternative more resource demanding cards? I wouldn’t want to have a 1500watt gpu
So why has the 9070xt not use gddr7?
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whats inflation?
I have a 3060, non TI, the fact that it has more vram than a 2025 ’60 card thats TI is insane.
Really fuck ngreedia. We have nobody else to blame tho if we keep buying this garbage. Dont buy this garbage!!!! Get used if you have to. fuck it.
I’ve bought so many used and gotten lucky. Started with a used GTX 480, when i could FINALLY afford a pc, and it took selling a car to get it!!!
Well again one on this posts… well i don’t want to be defending nvidea, i dont like their business model, but this is just bs and blant lies, lest get to the numbers:
1st 380$ in 2016 is about 520$ today in inflation so the 1070 its more competition to the 5070, which is 280% faster than a 1070.
2nd the 5060 ti in 180/200% faster than a 1070, not 82%.
3rd 8gb gddr7 in not the same as gddr5, if you think is the same it’s because you know nothing about cards.
If you guys want to shit on nvidea, at least compare it like it should be.
F* nvidea but don’t spread misinformation.
You can tell 99% of the people on this subreddit don’t understand how Moore’s Law or IO logic scaling works in chip design.
MSRP?
Wow, people on this sub defend 8gb VRAM for GPU’s in 2025
Keep in mind we’ll probably start noticing this more and more as we start hitting the limits of computing power. Unless the way GPUs are made fundamentally changes.
the performance increase makes me sad
I’m the least so defend the prices and the insanity but there’s something called physics, the jumps are not gonna be as big as they once were.
What Moore’s Law does to a mf
Sure the gpu market is fucked. But have you heard of nflation? And comparing the memory bus width across memory generations? This infographic is meaningless.
Geforce 8800 GTS = 65 nm process size.
GTX 1070 = 16 nm process size.
5060 Ti = 5 nm process size.
What do you expect? lol, same HARDWARE based difference? How? You want GPUs to be made at 0.1nm process size? Or being X10 the size they are?
The reason of new technologies being software based, or IA based is because there’s a LIMIT of how much hardware you can put on a single chipset, and there’s ALSO A LIMIT of how small you can produce the chips and transistors.
It’s like comparing a 1927 Ford T speed to a 1970 Ferrari and comparing that to a 2025 Ferarri.
Of course the speed and motor size increases are not gonna be linear lol.
We are approaching the limits of GPU technology, and over the next 8.5 years, the rate of improvement may be even slower than it was in the past 8.5 years—this is a fact.
Yes. Nvidia is intentionally holding back performance of all cards that are not the 5090. This was true in the 4090 generation as well. They are not interested in creating high performing cards other than their top dog – they are interested in creating a percieved value in the top card by artificially holding back all other SKUs. The 4090 and 5090 look pretty great when you compare them to their contemporaries in benchmarks. When one card does double the other, it’s easier to sell it at ridiculous prices.
If they pushed FPS as much as possible on all skus we wouldn’t upgrade as often, as well. **Amazing GPUs are bad for business.** Keep new SKUs coming, and keep the upgrades as modest as possible (while still being a clear upgrade) – this is Nvidia’s business model for consumer-level products.
We know diminishing returns is here. The future is DLSS unless you want to pay in the thousands for significant performance bumps.
+209%
not +82%…
This is a terrible comparison. First off, the clock speed of the RTX 5060 Ti is nearly 1 GHz faster than that of the GTX 1070. The RTX 5060 Ti has almost 15x L2 cache size, double the SMs, 4x the single-precision GFLOPs, twice the CUDA/shader cores 40 million more pixels/sec fillrate. It also has tensor cores, which weren’t even present on the 1070. All of this for (inflation-adjusted) $126 cheaper. Sure, the 5060 Ti may be a terrible-value card today, but let’s not pretend that there weren’t any improvements or innovations.
Let me get this straight – a 1300% performance increase between 8800 GTS and 5060ti for an 8.6% increase in price is bad? Kidding ofc, but also interesting to think about what “required” improvements by gamers means.
Now do an inflation adjusted chart.
Taking “MSRP” at face value:
Today’s $379 is $262 in 2016
Today’s $379 is $248 in 2006
What could you get for $262 and $248 respectively in those years? Just curious.
The GTX1070 MSRP of 379 bucks adjusted to inflation is slightly over 500 current US dollars… not even going to talk about chip architecture, VRAM speed, nothing, just the price comparison is so wrong that the rest is just not even worth to explain lmao.
Diminishing returns is a real thing in tech.
Memory bus decrease is the wrong thing to do