“The Patriots planted the seed — we don’t need them around to filter and foster their memes any longer. We’re spreading them just fine ourselves. Every American man, woman and child… We’re all sons of the Patriots now!”
–Senator Armstrong
Single-Gift-4407
It was spot on
SHITBLAST3000
This and all of the original Deus Ex
AjCheeze
At least we are not at MGS4 yet.
RiseUpMerc
Kojima has been on point for so long. Aside from a wonderful game director he has pretty honest takes on the reality of the world.
AloversGaming
Gaming lost something special when MGS’ story completed with 4 (despite PW being amazing and 5 being fun).
AgitatedFly1182
Why did critics dislike the story in 2001 again?
Edit: at launch the games plot received mixed reception:
The title’s storyline, however, was initially divisive[113] and became the source of controversy. Hideo Kojima’s ambitious script received praise for exploring numerous social, philosophical, and cyberpunk themes in significant detail, and it has often been called the first example of a postmodern video game.[39][42][44][40][41][43][114] However, some critics considered the plot to be “incomprehensible” and overly cumbersome for an action game, and also felt that the lengthy dialogue sections heavily disrupted the gameplay and that the dialogue itself was overly disjointed and convoluted.[115][116] The surprise introduction of Raiden as the protagonist for the majority of the game (replacing long-time series protagonist Solid Snake) was also controversial with fans of Metal Gear Solid.[44]
Yeah I listened to that part several years ago and it was pretty wild.
There is this one part where they are talking about using kids as pundits for certain social issues so people who opposed the issues would be afraid to speak out against a child and that was sort of going on at the time. It was so specific lol.
matva55
one of the reasons metal gear solid 2 stands as a must play game for me to this day is because of how prescient a lot of the themes are for the 21st century considering the game came out in like, 2001.
Swan990
It was already happening big time. Not really a prediction.
Kspacesk
I’ve had this saved in my phone for probably 10 years as it has only become more relevant. MGS2
“The digital society furthers human flaws and selectively rewards development of convenient half truths. The untested truths spun by different interests continue to churn and accumulate in the sandbox of political correctness and value systems. Everyone withdrawals into their own small gated community, afraid of a larger forum. They stay inside their little ponds, leaking whatever truths suits them into the growing cesspool of society at large. The different truths neither clash nor mesh. No one is invalidated, but no one is right.”
NoBullet
Hideo took inspiration from Do Android Dream of Electric Sheep and They Live. Which predicted this
lan60000
It’s funny seeing reddit being the very same ecosystem this video is depicting. Everybody is drowning in their self-inflicted sense of morality that one almost see it as their life’s purpose to always be “right” or “just” at every waking moment whilst consistently urging others to do the same for their own self-validation. Major subreddits turning into political catalysts for these people to wage propaganda wars against invisible enemies formulated from their own minds all to push specific narratives which align with their ideologies and simultaneously attempting to undermine all that disagree with their beliefs. The sad part of this video is how so many will watch it and believe they’re the exception to the rule without realizing they’re prone to misinformation just as easily as the next person beside them, regardless of whatever political sentiments they have.
Aggressive_Donut_222
I remember Deus Ex predicting the destruction of the Statue of Liberty 👀
Porticulus
Far too often in recent times.
Cherry_Bird_
No I skipped this because my dad kept telling me to go to bed.
Ironically__Swiss
Metal Gear Solid 2 was art and one of the best games I’ve ever played in these last 20 years
IceMaker98
Tbf the argument the Patriot AI is making is to essentially institute a fascistic information control system to censor and otherwise remove the free spread of information under this guise.
ChanThe4th
If the downfall of Civilization is “Misinformation” when we currently have unfiltered access to literally anything you can imagine, then maybe it’s lazy people refusing to inform themselves that is the problem.
Zestyclose_Leg_3626
This is one of those “tell me you don’t read much without telling me you don’t read much” things.
The idea of knowledge corrupting those who can’t handle it goes all the way back to the stories that inspired The Apple in The Garden of Eden. Similar to Prometheus stealing fire from the gods. Combine that with the Frankenstein Complex about how our creations are going to enslave and destroy us and you have… a LOT of sci-fi and fantasy stories.
And, going back to the religious origins: The point of those stories was to teach people to respect their betters. YOU aren’t qualified to sift the wheat from the chaff and it is dangerous for you to do it on your own. But your elders and your feudal lords and so forth? THEY can tell you what is good and what is bad. Or, in this case, what is truth and what is misinformation.
Sinfullyvannila
Yeah, I remember we thought it was utter nonsense when it came out too. Kojima is a god damn prophet.
FranticToaster
I need to know more about what novels he’s read.
eternalsteelfan
The filter system is literally Reddit.
Also, Solidus did nothing wrong.
Keilanm
The fact they brought up “creating context”
Battleaxe19
I just finished replaying this game for the first time since I was like 14, the other day. Kojima, we are not wooorttthhyy…. Lol my jaw was on the fucking ground. My wife was in here reading and I kept saying ‘LOOK AT THAT THEY’RE TALKING ABOUT!!! LOOK AT IT!!!!!”
Such a killer game.
Reeeeaper
Who’s misinformation?
MisterBilau
I played this when it came out. I was like 12 at the time. Even back then I realized I was playing something special, but more than 20 years later, god damn. I was playing the best game of all time. This is art.
OminousG
not exactly a new concept, its a core part of the plot for 1984.
1ndomitablespirit
Don’t read a lot, eh?
tjeepdrv2
I played it when it first came out and just thought the game was showing how a person could be brainwashed and the “meta” part of the story was that the player was being controlled too. I played it for the time around 2016 and was floored that the overly verbose conversations were things that I was seeing in real time.
basura1979
George Orwells French teacher would like a word
spez_might_fuck_dogs
Every day. MGS2 is my Roman Empire.
jzorbino
I still think about this a lot and how it sounded like crazy nonsense the first time I heard it
Phase_Shifter_M
My favorite game of all time for a reason
AiR-P00P
I only ever played the first game, I bought two and three a couple years ago but I still need a function and controller because I bought a PS2 at a yard sale but I didn’t come with any controllers at the time. and finding decent dual shock controllers is surprisingly hard.
AntiOriginalUsername
This is why Kojima is the goat
Robin_Gr
I like metal gear and the ideas Kojima goes for, but his dialogue is a little too clunky, I don’t know if its the english translation or something. Often times I feel like scenes are padded out when he is just kind of dancing around actually hitting something on the head. And it could all be condensed into something with way more impact.
And when it comes to biological sciences it always throws me for a loop how this game is trying make a point about the actual world but then people just say utter magical biology nonsense to explain a premise or origin for something. The bit near the start of this clip about life and genes is a good example.
Spleenseer
Elon Musk is the sort of person to hear “walking nuclear platform” and say “that sounds like a good idea”.
No-Video-1622
Oldie but a goodie
Turok7777
Sci-fi writers have been writing about misinformation ruining society long before Kojima was even born.
I know you guys don’t read, though. Hence the whole “society that’s susceptible to misinformation” thing.
No_Independence8747
Dude this game was such a mind fuck. I remember staying up till the wee hours of the morning to finish it. Looking forward to playing it again
nakabra
I remember finishing this game way back in the day and thinking “Well, I’m not really understanding anything anymore, what do you mean by 61 scissors?”
But I didn’t know the same english I know today so I accepted this and moved on.
But somehow I ended up watching this again last year and maaaaaaaannnnn.
Kojima might be legitimately in possession of a time machine or something.
ccv707
I mean, read science fiction from the 60s and 70s. Read 1984, published in 1950. Read Jonathan Swift. Classical Greece. Anti-intellectualism and misinfo as a threat has been the subject of debate going back to Socrates. The internet merely creates the potential for harm to be done on a mass scale at the speed of light, far too swiftly for us to be able to effectively counter it. Not to downplay MGS2, it’s a masterpiece for creating a modern spin accessible to a more “normie” audience. Not that it matters, because—again—we’ve understood this from the beginning. We just don’t care.
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“The Patriots planted the seed — we don’t need them around to filter and foster their memes any longer. We’re spreading them just fine ourselves. Every American man, woman and child… We’re all sons of the Patriots now!”
–Senator Armstrong
It was spot on
This and all of the original Deus Ex
At least we are not at MGS4 yet.
Kojima has been on point for so long. Aside from a wonderful game director he has pretty honest takes on the reality of the world.
Gaming lost something special when MGS’ story completed with 4 (despite PW being amazing and 5 being fun).
Why did critics dislike the story in 2001 again?
Edit: at launch the games plot received mixed reception:
The title’s storyline, however, was initially divisive[113] and became the source of controversy. Hideo Kojima’s ambitious script received praise for exploring numerous social, philosophical, and cyberpunk themes in significant detail, and it has often been called the first example of a postmodern video game.[39][42][44][40][41][43][114] However, some critics considered the plot to be “incomprehensible” and overly cumbersome for an action game, and also felt that the lengthy dialogue sections heavily disrupted the gameplay and that the dialogue itself was overly disjointed and convoluted.[115][116] The surprise introduction of Raiden as the protagonist for the majority of the game (replacing long-time series protagonist Solid Snake) was also controversial with fans of Metal Gear Solid.[44]
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metal_Gear_Solid_2:_Sons_of_Liberty
Yeah I listened to that part several years ago and it was pretty wild.
There is this one part where they are talking about using kids as pundits for certain social issues so people who opposed the issues would be afraid to speak out against a child and that was sort of going on at the time. It was so specific lol.
one of the reasons metal gear solid 2 stands as a must play game for me to this day is because of how prescient a lot of the themes are for the 21st century considering the game came out in like, 2001.
It was already happening big time. Not really a prediction.
I’ve had this saved in my phone for probably 10 years as it has only become more relevant. MGS2
“The digital society furthers human flaws and selectively rewards development of convenient half truths. The untested truths spun by different interests continue to churn and accumulate in the sandbox of political correctness and value systems. Everyone withdrawals into their own small gated community, afraid of a larger forum. They stay inside their little ponds, leaking whatever truths suits them into the growing cesspool of society at large. The different truths neither clash nor mesh. No one is invalidated, but no one is right.”
Hideo took inspiration from Do Android Dream of Electric Sheep and They Live. Which predicted this
It’s funny seeing reddit being the very same ecosystem this video is depicting. Everybody is drowning in their self-inflicted sense of morality that one almost see it as their life’s purpose to always be “right” or “just” at every waking moment whilst consistently urging others to do the same for their own self-validation. Major subreddits turning into political catalysts for these people to wage propaganda wars against invisible enemies formulated from their own minds all to push specific narratives which align with their ideologies and simultaneously attempting to undermine all that disagree with their beliefs. The sad part of this video is how so many will watch it and believe they’re the exception to the rule without realizing they’re prone to misinformation just as easily as the next person beside them, regardless of whatever political sentiments they have.
I remember Deus Ex predicting the destruction of the Statue of Liberty 👀
Far too often in recent times.
No I skipped this because my dad kept telling me to go to bed.
Metal Gear Solid 2 was art and one of the best games I’ve ever played in these last 20 years
Tbf the argument the Patriot AI is making is to essentially institute a fascistic information control system to censor and otherwise remove the free spread of information under this guise.
If the downfall of Civilization is “Misinformation” when we currently have unfiltered access to literally anything you can imagine, then maybe it’s lazy people refusing to inform themselves that is the problem.
This is one of those “tell me you don’t read much without telling me you don’t read much” things.
The idea of knowledge corrupting those who can’t handle it goes all the way back to the stories that inspired The Apple in The Garden of Eden. Similar to Prometheus stealing fire from the gods. Combine that with the Frankenstein Complex about how our creations are going to enslave and destroy us and you have… a LOT of sci-fi and fantasy stories.
And, going back to the religious origins: The point of those stories was to teach people to respect their betters. YOU aren’t qualified to sift the wheat from the chaff and it is dangerous for you to do it on your own. But your elders and your feudal lords and so forth? THEY can tell you what is good and what is bad. Or, in this case, what is truth and what is misinformation.
Yeah, I remember we thought it was utter nonsense when it came out too. Kojima is a god damn prophet.
I need to know more about what novels he’s read.
The filter system is literally Reddit.
Also, Solidus did nothing wrong.
The fact they brought up “creating context”
I just finished replaying this game for the first time since I was like 14, the other day. Kojima, we are not wooorttthhyy…. Lol my jaw was on the fucking ground. My wife was in here reading and I kept saying ‘LOOK AT THAT THEY’RE TALKING ABOUT!!! LOOK AT IT!!!!!”
Such a killer game.
Who’s misinformation?
I played this when it came out. I was like 12 at the time. Even back then I realized I was playing something special, but more than 20 years later, god damn. I was playing the best game of all time. This is art.
not exactly a new concept, its a core part of the plot for 1984.
Don’t read a lot, eh?
I played it when it first came out and just thought the game was showing how a person could be brainwashed and the “meta” part of the story was that the player was being controlled too. I played it for the time around 2016 and was floored that the overly verbose conversations were things that I was seeing in real time.
George Orwells French teacher would like a word
Every day. MGS2 is my Roman Empire.
I still think about this a lot and how it sounded like crazy nonsense the first time I heard it
My favorite game of all time for a reason
I only ever played the first game, I bought two and three a couple years ago but I still need a function and controller because I bought a PS2 at a yard sale but I didn’t come with any controllers at the time. and finding decent dual shock controllers is surprisingly hard.
This is why Kojima is the goat
I like metal gear and the ideas Kojima goes for, but his dialogue is a little too clunky, I don’t know if its the english translation or something. Often times I feel like scenes are padded out when he is just kind of dancing around actually hitting something on the head. And it could all be condensed into something with way more impact.
And when it comes to biological sciences it always throws me for a loop how this game is trying make a point about the actual world but then people just say utter magical biology nonsense to explain a premise or origin for something. The bit near the start of this clip about life and genes is a good example.
Elon Musk is the sort of person to hear “walking nuclear platform” and say “that sounds like a good idea”.
Oldie but a goodie
Sci-fi writers have been writing about misinformation ruining society long before Kojima was even born.
I know you guys don’t read, though. Hence the whole “society that’s susceptible to misinformation” thing.
Dude this game was such a mind fuck. I remember staying up till the wee hours of the morning to finish it. Looking forward to playing it again
I remember finishing this game way back in the day and thinking “Well, I’m not really understanding anything anymore, what do you mean by 61 scissors?”
But I didn’t know the same english I know today so I accepted this and moved on.
But somehow I ended up watching this again last year and maaaaaaaannnnn.
Kojima might be legitimately in possession of a time machine or something.
I mean, read science fiction from the 60s and 70s. Read 1984, published in 1950. Read Jonathan Swift. Classical Greece. Anti-intellectualism and misinfo as a threat has been the subject of debate going back to Socrates. The internet merely creates the potential for harm to be done on a mass scale at the speed of light, far too swiftly for us to be able to effectively counter it. Not to downplay MGS2, it’s a masterpiece for creating a modern spin accessible to a more “normie” audience. Not that it matters, because—again—we’ve understood this from the beginning. We just don’t care.