As Fl0m pointed out they spend their vast majority of time in NA supporting NA, I personally would feel bad putting them in EU, not to mention Sonic thats been in NA for 7 years.
1Revenant1
At last major they got NA one more spot with exactly same roster. Would that spot transfer to EU, if they had to play EU MRQ? It would seem reasonable.
Playful-Advantage619
Can sonic ever count as an NA player? Does he have to become a citizen or something?
Etna-
Lets see if there will be a similar shitstorm to the one ohnepixel and his players received from people in this sub. Or if people will try to find excuses how this one is actually totally fine ^^^^^(its ^^^^^not ^^^^^a ^^^^^loud ^^^^^streamer ^^^^^so ^^^^^all ^^^^^gucci ^^^^^/s).
Either Wildcard abused the rules, the most obvious scenario. Or Liquid and Furia abuse them if you want to go the “But Wildcard lives and practices in NA route”. But its funny that it didnt even take a whole Major cicle for a loophole to get found
Temporal_Bellusaurus
That is not “exactly what happened” as Swisher writes it, the part of the rules he quotes is not what is relevant here as they did not submit phzy as a substitute.
What happened was that – and here Swisher is entirely correct – Wildcard used an NA player to force a situation where their roster for the April Invitation VRS was 3 American players, 1 EU player and one who would go into the Asia-category for the MRQ (weirdly enough!). That then meant that they only received an invite to the Americas MRQ instead of the Europe MRQ, and were required to submit a roster of at least 3 of the players from their April Invitation VRS roster, and that they were required to submit a roster that was at least shared-majority American, which they did.
So the rule about substitutions isn’t really relevant here, especially since a Regional Assignment is also based on part-majority. It is also entirely possible to have an NA/EU shared majority and be invited to the NA MRQ, provided you have enough points to be invited based on the Americas list, but not enough points to be invited to the EU one based on the Europe list.
I agree that this is a hole in the rules that abuses/utilizes – depending on your view – a greyzone, but I am not sure what the solution should be. All invitations are sent out at the same time, so when Wildcard (the org) received an invitation to the Americas RMQ based on the Americas ranking, all the invited EU teams also received an invite, meaning there is no spot for Wildcard.
I think we are in a situation where it is impossible to make the rules entirely perfect, because it is valid to participate with 2/2/1 split rosters, and that you can end in a situation where your team with 2 American + 2 European + 1 Other player ends up getting an invitation to the MRQ based on the American Invitation VRS. The only thing I can really think of is forcing teams that receive invites based on a 3/2 split or a 3/1/1 split to maintain that Regional Assignment of at least 3 players (so a definitive majority instead of shared majority) as Swisher wants, but that just leads to an awkward situation where it is legal for some teams to register a 2/2/1 split, while others can’t, and I honestly don’t think you wanna end up there.
In that case – what Swisher wants – Liquids roster of 2 EU players, 2 Americas players and 1 Asia player would be legal, and Wildcards roster of 2 EU players, 2 Americas players and 1 Asia player would not, which also does not seem like a perfect solution to me at least. I do however agree that engineering a situation with the express purpose of having the rules work in your favour kinda sucks, but that is almost entirely unavoidable. Changing the rules the way Swisher wants would also mean that you incentivize Wildcard to lose matches, as under those rules they would get to play the NA MRQ instead of the EU MRQ if they had 968 or fewer VRS points, and they had 1089.
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As Fl0m pointed out they spend their vast majority of time in NA supporting NA, I personally would feel bad putting them in EU, not to mention Sonic thats been in NA for 7 years.
At last major they got NA one more spot with exactly same roster. Would that spot transfer to EU, if they had to play EU MRQ? It would seem reasonable.
Can sonic ever count as an NA player? Does he have to become a citizen or something?
Lets see if there will be a similar shitstorm to the one ohnepixel and his players received from people in this sub. Or if people will try to find excuses how this one is actually totally fine ^^^^^(its ^^^^^not ^^^^^a ^^^^^loud ^^^^^streamer ^^^^^so ^^^^^all ^^^^^gucci ^^^^^/s).
Either Wildcard abused the rules, the most obvious scenario. Or Liquid and Furia abuse them if you want to go the “But Wildcard lives and practices in NA route”. But its funny that it didnt even take a whole Major cicle for a loophole to get found
That is not “exactly what happened” as Swisher writes it, the part of the rules he quotes is not what is relevant here as they did not submit phzy as a substitute.
What happened was that – and here Swisher is entirely correct – Wildcard used an NA player to force a situation where their roster for the April Invitation VRS was 3 American players, 1 EU player and one who would go into the Asia-category for the MRQ (weirdly enough!). That then meant that they only received an invite to the Americas MRQ instead of the Europe MRQ, and were required to submit a roster of at least 3 of the players from their April Invitation VRS roster, and that they were required to submit a roster that was at least shared-majority American, which they did.
So the rule about substitutions isn’t really relevant here, especially since a Regional Assignment is also based on part-majority. It is also entirely possible to have an NA/EU shared majority and be invited to the NA MRQ, provided you have enough points to be invited based on the Americas list, but not enough points to be invited to the EU one based on the Europe list.
I agree that this is a hole in the rules that abuses/utilizes – depending on your view – a greyzone, but I am not sure what the solution should be. All invitations are sent out at the same time, so when Wildcard (the org) received an invitation to the Americas RMQ based on the Americas ranking, all the invited EU teams also received an invite, meaning there is no spot for Wildcard.
I think we are in a situation where it is impossible to make the rules entirely perfect, because it is valid to participate with 2/2/1 split rosters, and that you can end in a situation where your team with 2 American + 2 European + 1 Other player ends up getting an invitation to the MRQ based on the American Invitation VRS. The only thing I can really think of is forcing teams that receive invites based on a 3/2 split or a 3/1/1 split to maintain that Regional Assignment of at least 3 players (so a definitive majority instead of shared majority) as Swisher wants, but that just leads to an awkward situation where it is legal for some teams to register a 2/2/1 split, while others can’t, and I honestly don’t think you wanna end up there.
In that case – what Swisher wants – Liquids roster of 2 EU players, 2 Americas players and 1 Asia player would be legal, and Wildcards roster of 2 EU players, 2 Americas players and 1 Asia player would not, which also does not seem like a perfect solution to me at least. I do however agree that engineering a situation with the express purpose of having the rules work in your favour kinda sucks, but that is almost entirely unavoidable. Changing the rules the way Swisher wants would also mean that you incentivize Wildcard to lose matches, as under those rules they would get to play the NA MRQ instead of the EU MRQ if they had 968 or fewer VRS points, and they had 1089.