Modern PC fans have a seriously skewed perception of what’s low or medium range. These are the same people who will tell you that 60fps is “unplayable”
Synthetic_Energy
A gtx 1060 3gb is low end. The likes of the 4060 and 2070 are more med range.
People can talk about what the 4070 is and Med range for its generation, but not med range for all pc’s.
It’s more high end than anything.
Witty-Intern270
I have a 1080ti. I consider it mid range. I can play all of my games high settings. World of Warcraft, PoE2, diablo 4, …
And it’s undervolted.
Heavy_Fig_265
alot to unpack here but in general yes a 4050 laptop gpu is very low end, listing laptop specs vs pc specs is misleading as laptop components are lower power draw and typically half the performance of their pc counter parts as they have to be able to run cool enough and work off a battery for a reasonable amount of time, 50/60 tier gpus are low end tho 70s mid 80s high 90s top tier for nvidia
koordy
Yeah dude has older mid-range PC and that laptop is basically as low as you can go these days, without buying used.
Does that mean there are no games you could enjoy on even slower hardware? No, there’s plenty of them. Does that however mean you should expect to run every game you want with good performance on such a laptop? Absolutely not.
Noname_FTW
Any 50class gpu is basically bottom of the barrel.
Just because there is a 40 infront of the other number doesn’t mean you suddenly can game with it.
Sure, you can put settings to totally low, run 1080p and use DLSS with framegen. You then will get a 30 fps experience.
But 50s class gpus were always garbage and only good for having them connect to high resolution and high fps displays to for example remote-play a game on another system.
DLSS and stuff has been muddying the waters for a few generations now. But generally the widom of the pre 10th series era still applies.
Just because number bigger doesn’t mean better than lower number.
RionXai
I guess its a matter of each of their own perspective which is low, and which are high?
For me personally what i consider low end are the ones in the range of 1030, 1050
RX580, 16 series in between the low-mid end cards
4050 at entry level RT Mid range card along with the 4060.
While the 4070/ti at the upper mid end
and the 4080/5080 and above are high end
Traylay13
A 4070ti qualifies a s high end. 80 and 90 user are so low in percentages that they don’t really count.
A 4050 is also low end.
Current_Cake3993
Here’s my take – midrange is something that is on par with current consoles and it will stay that way until new gen consoles launch. Think r5 5600+6700xt/3060 12 gb
If game runs like crap on those specs, medium, native 1080p60 – then devs did a bad job.
Anything older/weaker than that (aside from 1080 Ti, it’s the GOAT) – and you should seriously consider upgrading your PC.
szczszqweqwe
4050 laptop is a low low end.
However, 5800x3d + 4070tis is high mid range, something in between those two.
Trick_Actuator5763
Nvidia laptops are a scam, they hardly ever tell you what performance you are going to get by letting you know what wattage it is and are obscenely overpriced for what they provide to the point a mobile 4090 was valued well over MSRP for the full DESKTOP 4090. its a cry in shame that Radeon laptop chips get dismissed by a ton of OEMs because they do not think they can sell any, the best hope we have of that changing is either ARC or the Halo APU Chips.
Jackpkmn
I’m sorry but you are unlikely to get a lot of traction here with this. People don’t understand how laptops work here. One big contributing factor for low laptop performance especially with games like this is a cpu bottleneck caused by the shared power and cooling the system has with the gpu. Basically the CPU sucks up all the power boosting and then there’s not enough left over for the GPU or the CPU heats up the heat sink and ends up throttling itself and forcing the gpu to throttle as well because they share a heat sink together.
I would double check for these issues by keeping an eye on cpu/gpu utilization vs various measurable system power draw metrics, laptops have quite the varied array of user accessible sensors so you’ll have to tailor your approach to what you have.
For my previous laptop in GPU bound scenarios turning off the turbo on the 9750h cpu in it let the GTX 1650 (much worse even than your 4050) perform significantly better due to less shared heat sink resources being taken up by the cpu.
restless_vagabond
This discussion is not very “master race.”
I mean, this very sub was created to mock the console(peasant) race. So, by definition, anything that performs worse than the latest console is “low end.”
I can see a more nuanced discussion in “budget PC’s,” but by posting here, you are speaking to a group of people who relish their master raceness.
4050 laptop can’t compete with the 5th station designed for play. Ergo, it is low end.
of course /s
Darc_vexiS
These people have no idea what low end is until they game on a Mac.
imheretocomment69
Then there’s me with super low end 6750xt trying to play 4k farthest frontier. /s
ThePupnasty
I remember when an X50 GPU would be mid tier, and a X70 X80 would move high end.
maxinstuff
Cries in 3050ti
MJdoesThings_
Tbh, comparing a laptop 4050 with a 5800X3D / 4070Ti is like comparing an electric scooter with a 2 ton SUV. Neither of them are the best that exists to go around, and neither are luxury. They’re still completely different class of products.
pepushe
Calling a 5800X3D / 4070S TI system mid range is WHACK
CaptainAddi
the last time xx70 cards where midrange was with the 970…
Also calling a 5800x mid. Is this guy retarded?
Dagon96
My laptop with rtx 4060 mobile can run prety much any game at high settings, with ray tracing too…decent fps….i just thinker a little bit with options.
I am actualy playing games on a external monitor with 1440p resolution.
Hogwarts legacy high settings plus maxed ray tracing at 30-40 fps with no dlss. I’d say people that considere 4060’s as low end are snobs. Every gpu that can get decent frameretes at high settings on a 1440p screen should be considered mid range.
Already 4k cards should be the high end.
Themash360
Having latest generation is likely already pretty special, most people will be behind at least 2.
That being said the 4050 is low end. It will play older games really well, but even the 2060 laptop gpu is slightly faster. If we can’t call a 4 year old entry level laptop gpu low-end then we’ve over corrected the elitism.
A 4070ti is in high end territory for me though.
CleanFlamingo5584
Is it bad that i am still gaming at 1080p on games medium- high on 1660 super till at least my new psu comes in for my 3060, games still run somewhat smooth for me still im pretty happy bout it
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Weird_Expert_1999
Lmfao the guy playing at max settings @ 1440p w/ high refresh rate is absolutely not ‘mid tier’ or anywhere close to entry level, I’d argue that this is approaching ‘entry enthusiast’ build mainly bc the gpu market is still skewed and card is a few years old.. but a 4070ti super still goes for ~7-800 on eBay 2nd hand and has good enough performance rn to comfortably push 1440 high refresh and 4k probably 100+ fps ultra with frame gen, that’s not anywhere near average performance
Fwiw you don’t need a top of the line gaming pc to perform well, you have to sacrifice playing at maxed out graphics, but I raid lead my wow classic guild to a few realm first achievements with 10+ yr old hardware – we’re talking i5-2500k, 750ti 2gb vram, 8gb ddr3 on windows 7 – I consistently parsed realm top 5 in Warcraft logs (analyzes your combat log of raids and adds to a public database that’s an unofficial leaderboard)
kvicken223
Welp, i still considered my specs mid: 1080ti, i7 8700k 😅
Unusual_Track_1891
I thing 30 series cards would maaaybe be more mid range nowadays. Haven’t had alot of experience with the 30 series as the one time I jumped in I got a bad card. Turned into Galactica textures a few weeks on. I have a 4070 in my tower rn and it runs most every game I played beautifully. Baring issues with the latest version of Windows anyway.
-Savviest-
If a 4050 laptop is low low then mine is a tin can
Vertex_Redditing
Ain’t no way… I’m proud of my 5700x & 4060 build. The rig could probably last me years.
Specific_Damage_2747
I feel like if you’re discussing your PC in terms of high end or low end you should probably spend more time building them and playing with them rather than worrying about that
It’s a weird way to talk about PC’s to be honest, unless you are selling them and trying to market a product. It either does what you need it to or it doesn’t. If youve built a PC and it doesn’t do what you need it to then you’ve fucked up really
teerre
Stupid discussion with some people considering “mid range” based on the % of the userbase vs mid range as the middle card of some generation (which is the original meaning)
SUBtleBearDE
Im still rocking a 1060
Moidada77
I’d call a 50 series entry level low end.
But the other computer is upper mid range.
fatfury
those are mid range cards they just got rid of low end cards lol
Original_Dimension99
What game even is that? What’s SDIF?
yourname92
Usually when people have issues with playing games they have underlying problems with their computer such as software or driver issues and it’s not a hardware problem. I have my old laptop to a friend. A razor blade, some i7 cpu, 2070 maxq, 16gb of ram, 1080 120hz screen. I could play any game on it on high with no problem. This is all in 2020. It was a 2018 model. I reset windows and gave it to him. He said after he got it up and running that he needed more ram because he couldn’t play a YouTube video. He didn’t install any software or the required drivers for the laptop to use the dedicated gpu.
zbearcoff
To me, the 4070 Ti Super is where the enthusiast/high-end tier properly starts, though I would agree that the 4070 Super and 4070 Ti are quite high-end (or very upper mid-range).
I only recently upgraded from a 6600 XT, which I used for 1440p gaming (permanently staying on 1440p with the new build), and I would call that an entry-level card. There’s a difference between low-end and entry-level to me – entry-level cards are still modern and relevant like the RTX 4050 Mobile, and are able to run new releases. A low-end card to me is old and outdated – think of the people still running GT 1030s, GTX 1050 Tis, GTX 1650s, or anything predating the 10-series really. Low-end cards might not run recent titles well, or at all possibly.
tldr; 4050 Laptop is **entry-level**, not low end
KyonSuzumiya
laughs in amd
Ysilude
And here I am, thinking to switch my 1070 from mid range for me, to low lmao
HelloKitty36911
Nah 50-60 class modern cards are mid-range, laptop does drag it down some tho as it likely can’t get the same performance as a desktop with the same GPU.
If you want truelow-range you gotta go lower or older.
Wollinger
LoL…of range.. spoiled brat with 4070ti
TheNamesRoodi
I’m rocking a 1070ti. I must not be playing the same game
NovelValue7311
You ever look at r/lowendgaming? Plenty of igpu gamers in there. Those people are snobs.
at_69_420
Me who still considers my 5800x 3080 high end 🥲
Kjetilnew
I manage to run Squad and RoN just fine with my almost a decade old 980ti. But then my monitor is 1080p and 60hz. I haven’t tried SDIF, but it’s not the first time I’ve seen people complaining about bad optimisation.
CDmidia
No wonder we get shitty AAA PC ports with this kind of mentality.
egemen0ozhan
This guy is talking out of his ass
I have a 1665 laptop and I can play any modern game with low to medium setting no prob just use fsr or other tech that’s why they are made for you just need to want to play that game
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Modern PC fans have a seriously skewed perception of what’s low or medium range. These are the same people who will tell you that 60fps is “unplayable”
A gtx 1060 3gb is low end. The likes of the 4060 and 2070 are more med range.
People can talk about what the 4070 is and Med range for its generation, but not med range for all pc’s.
It’s more high end than anything.
I have a 1080ti. I consider it mid range. I can play all of my games high settings. World of Warcraft, PoE2, diablo 4, …
And it’s undervolted.
alot to unpack here but in general yes a 4050 laptop gpu is very low end, listing laptop specs vs pc specs is misleading as laptop components are lower power draw and typically half the performance of their pc counter parts as they have to be able to run cool enough and work off a battery for a reasonable amount of time, 50/60 tier gpus are low end tho 70s mid 80s high 90s top tier for nvidia
Yeah dude has older mid-range PC and that laptop is basically as low as you can go these days, without buying used.
Does that mean there are no games you could enjoy on even slower hardware? No, there’s plenty of them. Does that however mean you should expect to run every game you want with good performance on such a laptop? Absolutely not.
Any 50class gpu is basically bottom of the barrel.
Just because there is a 40 infront of the other number doesn’t mean you suddenly can game with it.
Sure, you can put settings to totally low, run 1080p and use DLSS with framegen. You then will get a 30 fps experience.
But 50s class gpus were always garbage and only good for having them connect to high resolution and high fps displays to for example remote-play a game on another system.
DLSS and stuff has been muddying the waters for a few generations now. But generally the widom of the pre 10th series era still applies.
Just because number bigger doesn’t mean better than lower number.
I guess its a matter of each of their own perspective which is low, and which are high?
For me personally what i consider low end are the ones in the range of 1030, 1050
RX580, 16 series in between the low-mid end cards
4050 at entry level RT Mid range card along with the 4060.
While the 4070/ti at the upper mid end
and the 4080/5080 and above are high end
A 4070ti qualifies a s high end. 80 and 90 user are so low in percentages that they don’t really count.
A 4050 is also low end.
Here’s my take – midrange is something that is on par with current consoles and it will stay that way until new gen consoles launch. Think r5 5600+6700xt/3060 12 gb
If game runs like crap on those specs, medium, native 1080p60 – then devs did a bad job.
Anything older/weaker than that (aside from 1080 Ti, it’s the GOAT) – and you should seriously consider upgrading your PC.
4050 laptop is a low low end.
However, 5800x3d + 4070tis is high mid range, something in between those two.
Nvidia laptops are a scam, they hardly ever tell you what performance you are going to get by letting you know what wattage it is and are obscenely overpriced for what they provide to the point a mobile 4090 was valued well over MSRP for the full DESKTOP 4090. its a cry in shame that Radeon laptop chips get dismissed by a ton of OEMs because they do not think they can sell any, the best hope we have of that changing is either ARC or the Halo APU Chips.
I’m sorry but you are unlikely to get a lot of traction here with this. People don’t understand how laptops work here. One big contributing factor for low laptop performance especially with games like this is a cpu bottleneck caused by the shared power and cooling the system has with the gpu. Basically the CPU sucks up all the power boosting and then there’s not enough left over for the GPU or the CPU heats up the heat sink and ends up throttling itself and forcing the gpu to throttle as well because they share a heat sink together.
I would double check for these issues by keeping an eye on cpu/gpu utilization vs various measurable system power draw metrics, laptops have quite the varied array of user accessible sensors so you’ll have to tailor your approach to what you have.
For my previous laptop in GPU bound scenarios turning off the turbo on the 9750h cpu in it let the GTX 1650 (much worse even than your 4050) perform significantly better due to less shared heat sink resources being taken up by the cpu.
This discussion is not very “master race.”
I mean, this very sub was created to mock the console(peasant) race. So, by definition, anything that performs worse than the latest console is “low end.”
I can see a more nuanced discussion in “budget PC’s,” but by posting here, you are speaking to a group of people who relish their master raceness.
4050 laptop can’t compete with the 5th station designed for play. Ergo, it is low end.
of course /s
These people have no idea what low end is until they game on a Mac.
Then there’s me with super low end 6750xt trying to play 4k farthest frontier. /s
I remember when an X50 GPU would be mid tier, and a X70 X80 would move high end.
Cries in 3050ti
Tbh, comparing a laptop 4050 with a 5800X3D / 4070Ti is like comparing an electric scooter with a 2 ton SUV. Neither of them are the best that exists to go around, and neither are luxury. They’re still completely different class of products.
Calling a 5800X3D / 4070S TI system mid range is WHACK
the last time xx70 cards where midrange was with the 970…
Also calling a 5800x mid. Is this guy retarded?
My laptop with rtx 4060 mobile can run prety much any game at high settings, with ray tracing too…decent fps….i just thinker a little bit with options.
I am actualy playing games on a external monitor with 1440p resolution.
Hogwarts legacy high settings plus maxed ray tracing at 30-40 fps with no dlss. I’d say people that considere 4060’s as low end are snobs. Every gpu that can get decent frameretes at high settings on a 1440p screen should be considered mid range.
Already 4k cards should be the high end.
Having latest generation is likely already pretty special, most people will be behind at least 2.
That being said the 4050 is low end. It will play older games really well, but even the 2060 laptop gpu is slightly faster. If we can’t call a 4 year old entry level laptop gpu low-end then we’ve over corrected the elitism.
A 4070ti is in high end territory for me though.
Is it bad that i am still gaming at 1080p on games medium- high on 1660 super till at least my new psu comes in for my 3060, games still run somewhat smooth for me still im pretty happy bout it
Edit CPU 3600x
Lmfao the guy playing at max settings @ 1440p w/ high refresh rate is absolutely not ‘mid tier’ or anywhere close to entry level, I’d argue that this is approaching ‘entry enthusiast’ build mainly bc the gpu market is still skewed and card is a few years old.. but a 4070ti super still goes for ~7-800 on eBay 2nd hand and has good enough performance rn to comfortably push 1440 high refresh and 4k probably 100+ fps ultra with frame gen, that’s not anywhere near average performance
Fwiw you don’t need a top of the line gaming pc to perform well, you have to sacrifice playing at maxed out graphics, but I raid lead my wow classic guild to a few realm first achievements with 10+ yr old hardware – we’re talking i5-2500k, 750ti 2gb vram, 8gb ddr3 on windows 7 – I consistently parsed realm top 5 in Warcraft logs (analyzes your combat log of raids and adds to a public database that’s an unofficial leaderboard)
Welp, i still considered my specs mid: 1080ti, i7 8700k 😅
I thing 30 series cards would maaaybe be more mid range nowadays. Haven’t had alot of experience with the 30 series as the one time I jumped in I got a bad card. Turned into Galactica textures a few weeks on. I have a 4070 in my tower rn and it runs most every game I played beautifully. Baring issues with the latest version of Windows anyway.
If a 4050 laptop is low low then mine is a tin can
Ain’t no way… I’m proud of my 5700x & 4060 build. The rig could probably last me years.
I feel like if you’re discussing your PC in terms of high end or low end you should probably spend more time building them and playing with them rather than worrying about that
It’s a weird way to talk about PC’s to be honest, unless you are selling them and trying to market a product. It either does what you need it to or it doesn’t. If youve built a PC and it doesn’t do what you need it to then you’ve fucked up really
Stupid discussion with some people considering “mid range” based on the % of the userbase vs mid range as the middle card of some generation (which is the original meaning)
Im still rocking a 1060
I’d call a 50 series entry level low end.
But the other computer is upper mid range.
those are mid range cards they just got rid of low end cards lol
What game even is that? What’s SDIF?
Usually when people have issues with playing games they have underlying problems with their computer such as software or driver issues and it’s not a hardware problem. I have my old laptop to a friend. A razor blade, some i7 cpu, 2070 maxq, 16gb of ram, 1080 120hz screen. I could play any game on it on high with no problem. This is all in 2020. It was a 2018 model. I reset windows and gave it to him. He said after he got it up and running that he needed more ram because he couldn’t play a YouTube video. He didn’t install any software or the required drivers for the laptop to use the dedicated gpu.
To me, the 4070 Ti Super is where the enthusiast/high-end tier properly starts, though I would agree that the 4070 Super and 4070 Ti are quite high-end (or very upper mid-range).
I only recently upgraded from a 6600 XT, which I used for 1440p gaming (permanently staying on 1440p with the new build), and I would call that an entry-level card. There’s a difference between low-end and entry-level to me – entry-level cards are still modern and relevant like the RTX 4050 Mobile, and are able to run new releases. A low-end card to me is old and outdated – think of the people still running GT 1030s, GTX 1050 Tis, GTX 1650s, or anything predating the 10-series really. Low-end cards might not run recent titles well, or at all possibly.
tldr; 4050 Laptop is **entry-level**, not low end
laughs in amd
And here I am, thinking to switch my 1070 from mid range for me, to low lmao
Nah 50-60 class modern cards are mid-range, laptop does drag it down some tho as it likely can’t get the same performance as a desktop with the same GPU.
If you want truelow-range you gotta go lower or older.
LoL…of range.. spoiled brat with 4070ti
I’m rocking a 1070ti. I must not be playing the same game
You ever look at r/lowendgaming? Plenty of igpu gamers in there. Those people are snobs.
Me who still considers my 5800x 3080 high end 🥲
I manage to run Squad and RoN just fine with my almost a decade old 980ti. But then my monitor is 1080p and 60hz. I haven’t tried SDIF, but it’s not the first time I’ve seen people complaining about bad optimisation.
No wonder we get shitty AAA PC ports with this kind of mentality.
This guy is talking out of his ass
I have a 1665 laptop and I can play any modern game with low to medium setting no prob just use fsr or other tech that’s why they are made for you just need to want to play that game
I’m playing with a 2060 and I’m fine with it 🙂