I’m going to be honest, I believe that zombie stop being difficult since Black ops 2 days
I don’t hate BO3 that I love it, but ever since that game introduced the gobble gums, It became very easy after that.
Especially with speed running the Easter eggs like in origins if you have the right gobble gums.
I’m not saying gobble gum or bad but I do believe it made the game very easy especially how OP there are.
Then onwards
Black Ops 4 to me is kind of hard to say maybe
Cold War I can’t agree with some people that that game did became easy
I never played Vanguard zombies so someone will probably let me know on that.
I’m gonna skip MWZ lmao 😂💀
BO6 apparently it’s gonna take us 14 hits to go down that is kind of ridiculous and I hope they fix that because that is way too easy.
Unpopular opinion, I wouldn’t mind the two hit down like in BO1
If they have this back, it would make the game more challenging imo
I do hope they have feedback to make BO6 not like BO3 difficulty but more like BO1 and BO2
Edit: I personally believe zombies stop being that hard since they made it more easily throughout each of the game modes
I wouldn’t really consider BO3 a difficult game if there weren’t any gobble gums.
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The truth is that every zombies game is easy once you master it, but there are players that don’t want to put the time in to do so.
The issue with anything post bo3 is that gums helped out but only changed the game for a short time unless you used one of the 3 illegal ones..near death experience round robbin or powervac. No other gums could make you invincible quite like those ones. These can also be completely ignored.
As for bo4 – cold war… the ENTIRE game is changed to be easier for newer players. The mechanics of this game cannot really be ignored. Ignoring the mechanics of cold war would be equivalent to playing bo3 without perks gums specialists or wonder weapons.
For me it was after BO4. Cold war was easy day 1 because of the sheer amount of health armor on top of juggernog. It was crazy seeing my friends who were always trash at zombies make CW look easy
It’s always been kind of easy but that’s why its frustrating when they’ve had over 10 years to flesh the mode out more and create something that can be difficult and fun at the same but we still have only basic zombies and unintimidating special enemies.
I mostly agree with this. I do believe BO3 onwards is generally easier (CW is much easier without a doubt) but it does come down to the map itself imo. Maps like Ascension and Kino are way easier than Gorod Krovi and Alpha Omega for example.
But if we’re mainly talking about systems, then yeah BO3 onwards is definitely easier bc Gobblegums, double PAP, shield/armor, loadouts, etc.
Personally I’ve never found zombies difficult but the recent games are just a joke in difficulty if you’re even half decent you could probably survive up to wave 1000 if you have the time😂
Imo bo3 is perfect for difficulty it’s a good balance for casual and more hardcore players (if you don’t use gums)
as much as I love bo1 difficulty I think we are kidding ourselves in thinking it’s ever gonna be like that again it’s just not accessible enough to be a good business decision unfortunately
Very unpopular opinion but I was never a fan of bo2 and is probably the zombies I played the least always thought it was a little overrated (Maps suck) (characters suck)
Anything after the first 4 games is just an XP farm if you are even slightly good at zombies. I don’t hate Cold War but for me it just gets really boring after you’re setup and if you’ve done the super EE then you can pretty much play with your eyes closed
From what I’ve heard the zombies do more damage the higher you go in bo6 so who knows high rounds might be a slight challenge 🤷🏻
If anything I think we are more likely to see a return to bo3 difficulty with the classic mode but I’m even doubting that tbh
Depends on what you’re talking about, for me running around in circles for hours long against AI enemies that can’t break that pattern unless you do it yourself shouldn’t be a parameter of skill in videogames. If we consider EEs, then it’s a different story. But to each their own, if having their name on leaderboards to prove they can endure that stuff without getting bored makes them sleep at night so be it.
I think they should remove the health bar, and make it a 3 (or even 2) hit down. Then Jug makes it a 4-5 hit down. If they are really adamant about keeping armour (they shouldn’t be) then increase the zombie’s damage as the rounds increase, so at max zombie damage you take 4-6 hits at full health/armour.
Bo1 was it’s own difficulty if we’re being honest . Every game after has been made in mind to be more accessible.
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Barring whatever zelenksy was cooking in tranzit but even then it is kinda of eazy map to get into even in pubs .
Bo3 was easy with gobblegums, i mean theres literally one that gives every perk and if you get lucky you could get it off rip. Still my favorite zombies of all time, but i never played with others because i just didn’t care for the gobblegum system.
I thought Cold War had terrible weapon to round balancing. I can make it to round 30 without downing on any Cold War map in my sleep. PaPing my guns and getting essential perks like jug is easy. I cannot say the same for WaW, BO1 or 2.
I thought after round 50 it starts to get pretty hard but almost in an unfair way, like bosses just mess you up really bad. Also the main strategies for most Cold War maps is just sitting in a corner spamming. In the old games the strats for high rounds are tough to master..
Overall newer zombies games just doesn’t feel all that challenging. All the room in the world to run around and spawn in with great guns..
Bo4 could be fairly difficult but it was Cold War when it got too easy
Bo4 was not easy.
Depends if you are using gums and how long you go for. I’d say BO3 is difficult to get into, also like the games before it. The zombies cap is higher and they seem way more aggressive early on. But, that can be balanced with gums and wonder weapons if used. So overall, difficult going into it, can difficult depending on how you play. But the hardest thing about zombies isn’t EEs or training, it’s going for high rounds. It’s a test of endurance really, that’s the hardest part.
BO3 started the path of zombies going the easier route and since then, every zombies entry after got progressively easier
Yes, and I believe it’s the number of hits to down (and other additions at the start like BO4 specialists but 3 hit is big turning point).
Before it was a tenser 2 hit down system made you respect the setup stage and alongside the design choices of maps like COTD, where Mp40 is only reliable weapon, zombs come from every direction, Jug being far away and needed to build points in that tense spot. Difficulty embedded in bedrock of map.
But its 3 hit now, so difficulty in setup is already massively shaved, and the setup now involves side quests, and theyre paying attention to that. So you have to hold a zombie now and the designers decide to throw in last zombies dying out, last zombie dying if you’re to far away, sprinters on round 4 when you have to hold a zombie but youre too poweful already to make a crawler. They know the base difficulty is easier and their only idea to handle it is pettiness.
2 hit harder difficulty feels very natural with a learning curve, while 3 hit’s difficulty is a lot less fun and has a much lower ceiling cause fuck you, we’ll introduce and keep one of not the worst changes in zombies ever because we don’t know how to increase difficulty now otherwise.
Mob of the Dead is a good intersection of the 2 difficulties (2 hit + CQC design + quests + Jug at The Docks), and is well done at its base, but a bit softened by no need to worry about early downs cuz how Afterlife is, and so many point opportunities in Laundry Lockdown and double points in the cells, which counter high door costs to the Jug.
I’d say the difficulty changed its main focus. BO3 is easier than previous games in some aspects like hits needed to take you down or the voracity of the zombies, but you got a ton more things to do and craft that can get troublesome.
I mean, in my opinion anyway, Bo4 is still plenty difficult. But looking at real difficulty, I’d say Infinite Warfare is truly difficult if we’re counting non-Treyarch games.
You have no idea just how much easier cw was compared to bo3
Yes bo2 was harder than bo3, but by a measurable amount, whereas cw was lightyears more easy than previous games
Those who say zombies was easy after BO3 obviously haven’t played realistic on BO4 and it shows
I can see BO2 being slightly easier, but BO3 was just too big of a jump. If they just added one of the crutch mechanics (Extra PAP tiers, extra effects, stronger aim assist, gumballs) then it would’ve still had some challenge. But implementing them all at once right off the bat significantly diminished the high round challenge.
You dont see BO3 World Record High Rounds as impactful as WAW-BO2 High Rounds, and for good reason.
I haven’t played much Bo3 zombies and I haven’t played Bo4 zombies at all. But Cold War and MWIII zombies are super easy compared to WaW, Bo1 and Bo2 which are like extreme hardcore mode if you compare them to Cold War and MWIII
Cold War zombies is my favorite 🫶
As a relatively casual zombies player, who tries to solo all the EE’s possible ( and with mods if not), i would say Bo3 isn’t as easy as people say. Gobblegums are powerful sometimes, although a few of them are situational or literally useless solo, but the problem is that unless you have spent so so so much time farming the divinium or you *pay money* £$£$£$, you may have trouble with them. I for one have never even gotten Perkaholic, but everyone just assumes you have it for some reason. The next thing is that despite having 3 HP, the zombies hit you so fast that the 3rd health doesnt even matter and you just get slain way faster anyway. So maybe it is a little easier overall but nowhere near how people say.
To clarify, I played WAW. Bo1 and Bo2 back on release and just now getting back into the stuff so anything after BO3 or whatever else like Exo zombies or whatever i haven’t played yet.
Bo4 was the hard. Coldwar and after seems like a piece of cake.
Zombies stopped being difficult after they added pap
The more I think about it the more I think they sort of nailed a balance in BO4. As many issues as the game has. For the casual players who just want to grab guns and pass rounds, it was easy as fuck to do so. But for the hardcore players who do Easter Eggs, they were actually challenging. Of course there’s nuance in here, like the EEs not being *challenging* so much as painstakingly annoying. Or the casual round play being way too fucking easy. But I feel like they could have worked with that gameplay idea if the maps weren’t so poorly received that everyone despised the game by its end.
Just as much as the gobblegums make bo3 easier, the aats were kinda ridiculous, specifically deadwire
Cod zombies became too easy after bo3 with an *bo4. Bo4 was also difficult. The easy zombies started with IW
bo3 started this whose catering to casuals shit that’s been happening. i talked about it alot more [in this thread here](https://www.reddit.com/r/CODZombies/comments/1f4tltz/comment/lkxz3kp/). i really dont wanna rewrite all of that so i just linked it.
here’s each trayarch zombies ranked from easiest to hardest
1. bo3
2. vanguard
3. coldwar
4. bo4 (beginner and casual modes)
5. bo2
6. waw
7. bo1
8. bo4 (hardcore, realistic, and gauntlets modes)
from what I’m seeing, bo6 is gonna be bo3 but even easier, with it being mixed with coldwar. crazy seeing people complain about it being easy when they’ve literally been begging for the game to be just like bo3💀
like yall got what you wanted lmao
tldr: bo3 is piss easy, and people are just hypocrites
It still is difficult, but in different ways. The biggest challenge is will the game stay connected long enough? I last played a ton of black ops 2, the last one I truly played all modes on it.
It stopped being difficult with BO3
Idk why people don’t want to see it. Mega gums are way too OP, but OK not everyone has them, so let’s stick to classics.
You get anywhere but here and in plain sight. 2 activations on each. So if you manage your spins you’ll have one for nearly every round. 95% of the time I had either gum I was safe.
High rounding was also much easier now, being able to just camp most of the time. Alchem had 2 activations. People complain so much about ammo crates but alchem was free and better. Spam your wonder weapon for one minute and still be left with all your ammo.
Shield plus widows is also really strong combo. And they introduced specialists which are mostly really OP. Let’s not forget AATs that can turn any gun into a mini wonder weapon.
I get it’s not as easy as BOCW. But let’s not pretend like it’s not a massive difference from BO1. Where you had to take days for high rounds, the game was very unforgiving and besides wonder weapons, you didn’t have a shield, gums, specialist to bail you out of a corner.
I saw a streamer get to round 200 on every BO3 map in just one month. Bro opened up COTD and after 10 attempts the furthest he got was round 7
It won’t be 14 hit down, it will likely be 5 hit at most past round 50, like it was in cold war. The only way you could get 14+ hit downs in cold war was to have upgraded jugg and T3 ARMOR pre wave 10, then it becomes 8 hit till 35, then 6 hit till 50, then 5 hit onward.
MrRoffleWaffles pushed that point way too hard knowing the gameplay was a convention gameplay environment, not the finished game.
Bo2 was the last hard zombies
Dude in Cold War past round 50 zombies were super sprinters and downed you in 4 hits if you had no armor and a single one could hit you 4 times in less than a second, idk how people think that’s easy to deal with
I honestly think the 3 hit down is what made it easier. I’ve been playing all the newer games so much and can easily get to 50+ on all the maps but recently I went back to the pre bo3 games and they are sooo much harder imo. I grew up with bo1 and felt very disappointed in myself when I couldn’t even get to 20 on bo1 kino 😭