Okay, so I posted about V vs David Martinez earlier, probably not a fair fight, but, Morgan Blackhand is considered THE BEST of the best, so, my question to you all is, V or Morgan Blackhand?
I personally think V will take it, but if Morgan Blackhand is as good as people say, he will surely give V a run for their money? what do you think?
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Morgan and Smasher fought to essentially a draw. V bodies Smasher. Thus, most likely, V bodies Blackhand too.
Didn’t Blackhand have to retreat from Smasher whereas V dusts Smasher without breaking a sweat in the final battle at Mikoshi?
I mean that’s as close to an answer as you will ever have.
Only threat to V would be a god tier netrunner like So Mi who shows she could hack him at anytime at the beginning of Phantom Liberty.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but isn’t Blackhand essentially the main character of cyberpunk? Hence, by virtue of skill, experience, and plot armor, he would beat V, no?
Under what conditions? Like a straight up “arena” style, purely theoretical 1v1, V is going to win (assuming he has the relic and is close to endgame).
But the point is kind of moot, it wouldn’t make sense for Blackhand to go into a fight at a disadvantage, unlike Smasher who can’t imagine ever being at a disadvantage.
V still fairly easily beats blackhand, he beat smasher while basically on his deathbed. Plus when blackhand fought smasher to a standstill, Smasher was wearing a heavier, more durable, but ultimately inferior body.
Morgan Blackhand is THE standard for a Merc in the Cyberpunk universe . , the Solo of Solos. The ” Optimus Prime”, ” Superman”, ” Master Chief”, ” John Wick” in the franchise. And what’s more he is an Essential character from the TRRPG; they are written by default to be fitted with ludicrous stats BEYOND their class destination and to be able to kill anything/curb stomp any situation/ and SURVIVE the IMPOSSIBLE . Lore Note- It wasnt Johnny that fought Smasher atop Arasaka HQ when it blew, but Blackhand. They both survived a tactical nuke at ground zero…..because of “reasons”. And I’d imagine we’ll see some engram-enslaved Soulkiller Adam 2.0 in the sequel. So Blackhand is effectively equipped with the deadliest cyberware known to Night City………PLOT ARMOR.
He’s one of those characters that are as ” strong as need they need be”. One of the most ridiculous Archetypes
In summation I’d think the fight be close, but Blackhand prolly edge out of some foolishness 🤔
Why are we having those convos over and over again. It’s always V, the “physical” opponents doesn’t matter. v smokes them.
Adam smasher= strongest opponent
V>strongest opponent= V strongest, duh
Only godtier netrunner can win. By their cyber aids magic.
End of debate.
Considering Blackhand is Mike Pondsmith?
Lore-wise, maybe equal. V is probably slightly stonger. Ingame, V bodies him
CDPR got to make the protagonist more powerful than V for the sequel. Right? Riggght?
Or V simply bodies everyone?
After all, we got the blackwall to deal with.
V eats Blackhand tho.
Alot of these Is scenarios with V depends on if they have the relic or not that chip plays a huge part in V’s strength. Many pepole either don’t know or forget that.
So there’s this theory. The writers said all the books are canon, which throws into question Johnny’s memories. Setting the nuke in Arasaka and rescuing Alt were both parts of the same op, Johnny was part of the Alt rescue he wasn’t part of the team that set the bomb, that was Blackhand.
In the rescue of Alt, part of it was destroying the soulkiller program save the original. During the op, Smasher showed up and blew Johnny in half with a shotgun before going after Blackhand.
The theory is that Spider Murphy slotted the original soulkiller into Johnny, which was unable to finish before Johnny died, and his body was recovered before the bomb went off to recover soulkiller. The scene after Johnny’s capture where soulkiller is slotted with Saburo in the room is actually Blackhand. He survived because the way soulkiller works is by first downloading the entire mind and then wiping it, but because a whole bunch of it was taken up by Johnny’s memories it wasn’t able to complete the download and move on to the second process. It’s why Johnny’s so much more badass in his memories than he actually was. He’s remembering Blackhands skills.
I bring all this up because it’s likely that V’s gaining his skills so rapidly because he’s absorbing skills from the chip, in which case V fights like a version of Blackhand who can chip way more cyberware then Blackhand ever did or could.
If you side with songbird the game turns into a survival horror for one mission
Well, while V probably wins if you take every feat in the game at literal face value. I do believe Blackhand takes this.
Morgan always fucked up Smasher without the amount of chrome V needs.
Also, we gotta take in account so much things that at the end of the day sums up as “Plot armor” or “Relic” which allows V to carry around more chrome than the normal person would be able to, while not contracting any cyberpsicosis.
V is a video game character. No one in Blackhand’s universe is as shredded as V.
In a 1v1? V.
Which is why Blackhand wouldn’t let himself get stuck in a 1v1.
Blackhand always has a plan. He’d exploit the relic somehow is my guess.
Game version of V bodies literally anyone in the universe. V can solo whole police force and back to back MaxTac deployments. My V can almost perpetually slow time and deliver like hundreds of attacks before the enemy even realizes they were hit. V however is vulnerable to hacks given messy mental state so maybe there is some leeway there.
Not a fair comparison. V has too much plot armour, unless Blackhand is GM’d by Mike Pondsmith 😁
Mr Hands would win any fight cause unlike Morgan Blackhand and Johnny Silverhand. Mr Hands is pluralized. So based on the name process, he is two times stronger than Morgan and Johnny.
I give it to Morgan tbh. Guy is literally the definition of Solo, and literally redefined what It meant to be a Solo, by himself, and has more years of combat experience, than V has years of being alive.
Hahaha, Blackwall gateway go brrr
In the path of the sun, V overtakes Blackhand as the number 1 merc in Night city. So very likely V
Blackhand and Smasher fought to a draw. At the time, Smasher was in the DaOni chassis.
V *defeated* Smasher. At the time, Smasher was in the Dragoon chassis.
Dragoon is Smasher’s everyday workhorse body. DaOni is the armored mech suit Smasher wears *over* the Dragoon. It’s what he brings out when he’s planning to take on small armies with no consideration for collateral damage. It’s a literal war machine.
https://cyberpunk.fandom.com/wiki/Arasaka_%22DaiOni%22
V is damn good. Definitely the best in any published material since the setting was updated to 2077, but we haven’t seen Blackhand in the new canon yet. He’s still around. He’s updated all his gear and has another 50 years of experience.
As a Cyberpunk fan since the 90s, I don’t think V could take Blackhand in a straight fight. I also don’t think Blackhand would let a straight fight happen.
In the event that they ended up on opposite sides of a conflict, V would never *find* Blackhand unless he wanted to be found. The opposite just isn’t true. V isn’t low profile at all. The one thing V has going for them is the cybereye that masks them on digital footage. It’s good enough for an alibi, but not perfect. In the game, a lot of people know who V is. For someone like Blackhand, that’s enough. Then, V goes home to rest and the landmines under the mattress go off. (this is a literal Blackhand tactic taken straight out of the 2020 book)
Blackhand is an old man in a job where damn near everyone dies young. He’s one hell of a combatant, but he’s sneaky, smart, and ruthless *first.*
My bet is that we’ll see Blackhand in the sequel game, and it’ll put the comparisons firmly to rest.
Is that a legit sketch of what he looks like?