As someone who bought EoD back in 2016 and put in thousands hours, I’ve been teetering on quitting for awhile what with the rampant hacker problem, the constant band aid fixes that don’t address real problems, and other annoying things, but this is just too far
I’m not even mad so much that they added more p2w shit that I can’t have, I acknowledge EoD at its core was p2w.
For me, it’s that they tried to get everyone to FOMO into EoD by retiring it with a big countdown, telling players a version like that was never supposed to exist long term, and then they bait and switch with an even more egregious version months later, this one including dlc that EoD was supposed to get.
The promise for EoD players was once you buy it you will never have to spend money on Tarkov again. Everything that releases will be free. Then last year they started pivoting to “dlc only” and now they’re just splitting hairs on what is considered “dlc”
Zestyclose-Gas-4230
PSA: Nikita is a scumbag
AmNesia_Dota2
Contract wars reborn lol
alphadelta484
Can someone explain for non Tarkov players
ibpoopn
Let’s be honest the guns are cool but the game sucks – it’s sucked for a long time
TheGrigzor
Special Money Aquiring Operation
Peaceful_Ronin
Damn. Glad I didn’t buy the game when I wanted it.
Agilver
Tarkov made Forbes… in the worst way possible.
Icewatervvs
I would rather actually go to war than play this sweaty ass game.
ClassicChrisstopher
Tarkov is a great game with shitty dev decisions.
raas1337
Outraged? They are uk based, I already sent them email explaining that if they don’t honour they free dlc for EoD there is gonna be lawsuit.
SlimeMyButt
Isnt this game just half hackers anyway? What fuckin losers are paying $250 for it?
LBJBROW
Never understood why someone would willingly play a pay to win russian hacker fest but to each their own.
Ok_Judge_7565
And the game is plagued with hackers. 🤣🤣
QuasimodoPredicted
i strongly feel tarkov is some kind of a cult
Balc0ra
Surpriced it took this long tbh
Twoshanez
If they wanted money so bad they should’ve just offered a shit load of cosmetics for $ like pants and tops and maybe shoes? Or more armbands? Nikita made the worst decision with this one
cacacade
all my homies hate Tarkov
LordDeckem
Gotta milk every last possible dollar from this game with pay to win because at this point it’s not attracting new players between the hardcore pvp rampant with hackers and the fact that it’s stuck in early access hell.
OtaKahu
im more surprised that this came as a surprise to anyone.
Ohhellnowhatsupdawg
1) DLC is extra, new content including new features, modes, maps, in game items, etc. that won’t affect game balance
2) DLC is the result of cutting content from the base game giving us less Day 1 content
3) DLC gives players more PvE power than the base game
4) DLC prices increase drastically as actual content decreases
5) DLC only means in game downloadable maps or items, not features or modes. Now they call them “editions” which are “different”
6) DLC is P2W by giving players more power than other players
WE ARE HERE
7) All games are “live service”. DLC is a mandatory upgrade or you can’t play the game (We’re very close to here)
8) Games are sold in increasingly small, regular chunks to drive continuous revenue (we’re also getting close to here)
wigglin_harry
How much was the previous pay-to-win method? AKA hacks
Robobvious
Newsflash: It’s always been pay to win.
You pay more, you win more. It really is that simple. A bigger secure container from the start of a wipe means more secured loot every single round, meaning you can afford better gear and pull further and further ahead of ‘the poors’ all the time.
RoninSoul
Here’s a timeline I wrote up over the course of the games development to help people understand why people would be upset by this:
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Basically the devs lied about their game packages from the very beginning and people are finally waking up to the fact.
One of the moderators on their official forums said this back in 2017:
>The only thing that will happen with this game is DLCs
>
>
People asked and Battlestate Games lied, that basically sums up their entire development cycle.
Maintenancemanjimf
SPT>EFT
starBux_Barista
Arena Bankrupted BSG….. They spent 10’s of millions on Advertising, Going to GAME CONS, let alone development.
BSG financials must be in the gutter with all these microtransactions.
slattsmunster
Russian filth being filth unsurprisingly.
Tyler_Trash
One last cash grab before AAA studios pigeon-hole this game style.
Prudent_Effect6939
Why would anyone play this cheater infested game?
IntrovertPlusACunt
If you pay that money then you’re an idiot.
reinierdash
go play hunt showdown guys such a better game..
MacaroniEast
EFT was so close to being a major player in a growing market, but man they fell far. BSG has got to be a prime example of letting success go to your head
cracktr0
They gotta fund putins conscripts somehow
thepolybius777
So you tarkov players pay hundreds of dollars for extra shit? But what happens when theres a wipe? So you have to pay again for all that or restart with the same stuff?
Malkariss888
Tarkov was still a little pay to win even before this.
Having permanent bigger stashes is a huge advantage.
The game seems fun, but unfortunately the entry floor is terrible and the game is full of hackers and bugs.
Speedy_Von_Gofast
Meanwhile I’m just enjoying modded offline with SPT-AKI. No hacker nor pay-to-win issue.
TheBadTanMan99
I’ve discussed it with my friends for months now…. As soon as a more stable, consistant, tarkov-like game comes out, EFT is gonna die quick. They could not be more tone deaf at this point. The coolest thing about EFT imo is the gun modding part. I’d take a shittier gun smith aspect and single player/coop only if it meant I could enjoy the game. Back to console STALKER for me, can’t wait for X/S enhancements and mod support!
Zestyclose_Leg_3626
Friendly reminder:
SPTarkov (also called AKI-Mod) has been around for years and lets you copy your valid live install of EFT that you downloaded from BSG and add a selfhosted server. Which lets you play the whole game without hackers or people camping quest objectives and so forth. Also has some really good modding support that the 250 dollar version obviously won’t.
And, also unlike the 250 dollar version, it runs beautifully on linux via wine/proton.
StinkoMan20x6
Much of the video game industry continues to devolve into thinly veiled predatory monetization schemes, because people fall for them. The only way for consumers to effect change is to vote with their wallets.
Do not send a single red dime to companies that employee these schemes.
ISmokeyTheBear
Lets just say I go all out and buy this edition? What for? Just to get killed by their plague of cheaters?
Darrylblooberry
How does pay to win edition stack up against plain cheaters?
Existencialyte
This used to be my favorite game. I have put over 7000+ hours into Tarkov over the last few years. I recently decided to quit the game forever because of its negative affect on my mental health. The devs ask **so much** from you as a player, essentially insisting you invest hundreds of hours every few months to take part in the game-play loop they are offering. The problem comes in when the game itself is falling apart at the seems, with new game-breaking bugs introduced and patched over and over and over, while none of the core issues ever get addressed. Net code in this game is a complete joke – players are nowhere near the positions reflected to the client. and it alters the outcome of every single PvP engagement. The audio has been completely broken for the **ENTIRETY** of the games existence, leading to constant frustration and wasted effort.
Recently, they added a micro-transaction to the game, after years of stating essentially that they wouldn’t do that. It allows players to pay roughly $70 CAD to upgrade the storage available. From my perspective, nearly everyone I knew in the community bought this product, and I have to imagine it was very successful for Battlestate. Outside of the whole P2W argument that many have, this, I believe, will have altered the trajectory of BSG completely. It’s simple capitalism, now that they know what kind of money is on the table, it is very unlikely that more and more of these costs will come.
It’s made worse due to the fact that so many of BSG’s customers have already been willing the shell out huge amounts of money just to play the game. EOD edition was like $160 CAD when I bought it a few years ago. I seem to recall the product listing stating that EOD included “all future expansions” to the game. It is astounding to me, that after paying that kind of money for beta access to an unreleased game, the developers would have the audacity to ask for more. I would not have paid that for a game, had I not expected to be “all in” on future content. Truly, this is the nail in the coffin for me, I will never support this company again.
morbihann
Are we in the “extract as much as possible and close shop” part of game development ?
first-and-ten
This is a game developed by people who are pro-Russian, supporting the invasion of Ukraine. It’s already time to move on.
-Moon-Presence-
It’s not P2W but it is and always has been Pay-To-Play-The-Game-Without-Being-Totally-Gimped-By-An-Arbitrary-Mechanic
Nightkidzero13
Streets STILL runs like shit, half the maps are not finished, the servers suck, audio hasn’t been correct in god knows how long. Should we fix this? nah charge them $250 for what is already done better in mods. Bad look
IDontCheckMyMail
It’s a russian game. Why hasn’t this been boycotted ages ago?
WhosThatDogMrPB
For that money you could go to Ukraine and play Tarkov IRL.
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Yah time to switch lol
As someone who bought EoD back in 2016 and put in thousands hours, I’ve been teetering on quitting for awhile what with the rampant hacker problem, the constant band aid fixes that don’t address real problems, and other annoying things, but this is just too far
I’m not even mad so much that they added more p2w shit that I can’t have, I acknowledge EoD at its core was p2w.
For me, it’s that they tried to get everyone to FOMO into EoD by retiring it with a big countdown, telling players a version like that was never supposed to exist long term, and then they bait and switch with an even more egregious version months later, this one including dlc that EoD was supposed to get.
The promise for EoD players was once you buy it you will never have to spend money on Tarkov again. Everything that releases will be free. Then last year they started pivoting to “dlc only” and now they’re just splitting hairs on what is considered “dlc”
PSA: Nikita is a scumbag
Contract wars reborn lol
Can someone explain for non Tarkov players
Let’s be honest the guns are cool but the game sucks – it’s sucked for a long time
Special Money Aquiring Operation
Damn. Glad I didn’t buy the game when I wanted it.
Tarkov made Forbes… in the worst way possible.
I would rather actually go to war than play this sweaty ass game.
Tarkov is a great game with shitty dev decisions.
Outraged? They are uk based, I already sent them email explaining that if they don’t honour they free dlc for EoD there is gonna be lawsuit.
Isnt this game just half hackers anyway? What fuckin losers are paying $250 for it?
Never understood why someone would willingly play a pay to win russian hacker fest but to each their own.
And the game is plagued with hackers. 🤣🤣
i strongly feel tarkov is some kind of a cult
Surpriced it took this long tbh
If they wanted money so bad they should’ve just offered a shit load of cosmetics for $ like pants and tops and maybe shoes? Or more armbands? Nikita made the worst decision with this one
all my homies hate Tarkov
Gotta milk every last possible dollar from this game with pay to win because at this point it’s not attracting new players between the hardcore pvp rampant with hackers and the fact that it’s stuck in early access hell.
im more surprised that this came as a surprise to anyone.
1) DLC is extra, new content including new features, modes, maps, in game items, etc. that won’t affect game balance
2) DLC is the result of cutting content from the base game giving us less Day 1 content
3) DLC gives players more PvE power than the base game
4) DLC prices increase drastically as actual content decreases
5) DLC only means in game downloadable maps or items, not features or modes. Now they call them “editions” which are “different”
6) DLC is P2W by giving players more power than other players
WE ARE HERE
7) All games are “live service”. DLC is a mandatory upgrade or you can’t play the game (We’re very close to here)
8) Games are sold in increasingly small, regular chunks to drive continuous revenue (we’re also getting close to here)
How much was the previous pay-to-win method? AKA hacks
Newsflash: It’s always been pay to win.
You pay more, you win more. It really is that simple. A bigger secure container from the start of a wipe means more secured loot every single round, meaning you can afford better gear and pull further and further ahead of ‘the poors’ all the time.
Here’s a timeline I wrote up over the course of the games development to help people understand why people would be upset by this:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
Basically the devs lied about their game packages from the very beginning and people are finally waking up to the fact.
One of the moderators on their official forums said this back in 2017:
>The only thing that will happen with this game is DLCs
>
>
People asked and Battlestate Games lied, that basically sums up their entire development cycle.
SPT>EFT
Arena Bankrupted BSG….. They spent 10’s of millions on Advertising, Going to GAME CONS, let alone development.
BSG financials must be in the gutter with all these microtransactions.
Russian filth being filth unsurprisingly.
One last cash grab before AAA studios pigeon-hole this game style.
Why would anyone play this cheater infested game?
If you pay that money then you’re an idiot.
go play hunt showdown guys such a better game..
EFT was so close to being a major player in a growing market, but man they fell far. BSG has got to be a prime example of letting success go to your head
They gotta fund putins conscripts somehow
So you tarkov players pay hundreds of dollars for extra shit? But what happens when theres a wipe? So you have to pay again for all that or restart with the same stuff?
Tarkov was still a little pay to win even before this.
Having permanent bigger stashes is a huge advantage.
The game seems fun, but unfortunately the entry floor is terrible and the game is full of hackers and bugs.
Meanwhile I’m just enjoying modded offline with SPT-AKI. No hacker nor pay-to-win issue.
I’ve discussed it with my friends for months now…. As soon as a more stable, consistant, tarkov-like game comes out, EFT is gonna die quick. They could not be more tone deaf at this point. The coolest thing about EFT imo is the gun modding part. I’d take a shittier gun smith aspect and single player/coop only if it meant I could enjoy the game. Back to console STALKER for me, can’t wait for X/S enhancements and mod support!
Friendly reminder:
SPTarkov (also called AKI-Mod) has been around for years and lets you copy your valid live install of EFT that you downloaded from BSG and add a selfhosted server. Which lets you play the whole game without hackers or people camping quest objectives and so forth. Also has some really good modding support that the 250 dollar version obviously won’t.
And, also unlike the 250 dollar version, it runs beautifully on linux via wine/proton.
Much of the video game industry continues to devolve into thinly veiled predatory monetization schemes, because people fall for them. The only way for consumers to effect change is to vote with their wallets.
Do not send a single red dime to companies that employee these schemes.
Lets just say I go all out and buy this edition? What for? Just to get killed by their plague of cheaters?
How does pay to win edition stack up against plain cheaters?
This used to be my favorite game. I have put over 7000+ hours into Tarkov over the last few years. I recently decided to quit the game forever because of its negative affect on my mental health. The devs ask **so much** from you as a player, essentially insisting you invest hundreds of hours every few months to take part in the game-play loop they are offering. The problem comes in when the game itself is falling apart at the seems, with new game-breaking bugs introduced and patched over and over and over, while none of the core issues ever get addressed. Net code in this game is a complete joke – players are nowhere near the positions reflected to the client. and it alters the outcome of every single PvP engagement. The audio has been completely broken for the **ENTIRETY** of the games existence, leading to constant frustration and wasted effort.
Recently, they added a micro-transaction to the game, after years of stating essentially that they wouldn’t do that. It allows players to pay roughly $70 CAD to upgrade the storage available. From my perspective, nearly everyone I knew in the community bought this product, and I have to imagine it was very successful for Battlestate. Outside of the whole P2W argument that many have, this, I believe, will have altered the trajectory of BSG completely. It’s simple capitalism, now that they know what kind of money is on the table, it is very unlikely that more and more of these costs will come.
It’s made worse due to the fact that so many of BSG’s customers have already been willing the shell out huge amounts of money just to play the game. EOD edition was like $160 CAD when I bought it a few years ago. I seem to recall the product listing stating that EOD included “all future expansions” to the game. It is astounding to me, that after paying that kind of money for beta access to an unreleased game, the developers would have the audacity to ask for more. I would not have paid that for a game, had I not expected to be “all in” on future content. Truly, this is the nail in the coffin for me, I will never support this company again.
Are we in the “extract as much as possible and close shop” part of game development ?
This is a game developed by people who are pro-Russian, supporting the invasion of Ukraine. It’s already time to move on.
It’s not P2W but it is and always has been Pay-To-Play-The-Game-Without-Being-Totally-Gimped-By-An-Arbitrary-Mechanic
Streets STILL runs like shit, half the maps are not finished, the servers suck, audio hasn’t been correct in god knows how long. Should we fix this? nah charge them $250 for what is already done better in mods. Bad look
It’s a russian game. Why hasn’t this been boycotted ages ago?
For that money you could go to Ukraine and play Tarkov IRL.