Lmao his entire opinion on this topic is based on Reddit and Twitter. He doesn’t even play the game
HosephIna
He’s not wrong. The amount of bad players that just call cheats on anyone who kills them or does a crazy play is too high.
If I stopped getting called a cheater while I’m also playing like shit then I’d be a bit quicker to believe more people on here that there is a cheating problem, but I personally have only seen 1 cheater while playing in both 10k and 20k elo
MechaFlippin
The issue might not even be that there are more cheaters, it’s true, there might not be – but what there was for sure was essentially a reset on the “trust system” where everybody seemingly got the same trust level.
So while before some players in bad trust would get cheaters constantly, and some players would barely get any cheaters at all – now the cheaters are evenly distributed through the entire playerbase which makes the problem way more obvious.
**As a disclaimer:** I **DO NOT** ^(**DO NOT**) think that the trust system is a good system or a solution at all. From day 1 I think it’s a cop out bullshit system that valve threw together to try and mask the problem without actually fixing the problem. Dumping the entireity of scumbag cheaters on a specific portion of the playerbase is a shit play around by Valve, it’s especially a shit play around by Valve when you consider that pretty much every new player will start in the “low ranks” of trust factor, and, as such, new players will have a far higher chance of getting scumbags which makes a game like CS (which is already a pretty hard game to get into) even more challenging for these people.
So, fuck the trust system, it was never a good solution to begin with.
itissafedownstairs
If I get rek’d by a normal account I agree. I’m just not that good. But getting owned by new accounts with only a few hundreds of hours, 2 medals (service medal 2023 & csgo), close to 0 friends, no skins and they’re carrying their 24k elo friend… this happens way too often in Premier mode. Everytime I check demo, I can see them walling and aimbotting. But as always, this is RL and he wants us to disagree otherwise he’ll become irrelevant.
wedewdw
no cheaters says man living on 10 kilos of copium
FooliooilooF
If you had “the data” on cheaters then you wouldn’t have cheaters.
Very silly take.
NiNjAOfficiall
The level of cheaters may not of increased but the trust factor system must of been fucked or something as I rarely got cheaters in csgo global EU MM but around 25k premier elo it seems almost a cheater 1 in 5 games.
Definietely worse cheater experience in CS2 than it was in CSGO MM at least from my POV.
EDIT: Plus the amount of one medal accounts and sus accounts also I go against is much higher in cs2 which leads me to believe the trust factor is fucked
Lobanjicaaaaaaaaa
EggHead guy doesnt believe there is a bigger number of cheaters in CS2 because now there is a leaderboard that shows your name, account, profile and rank to the whole world for everyone who ever plays CS2.
He thinks people cared just as much “to get Global” in CSGO. 🤦♂️
Same guy said he is sure Valve is working on a revolutionary anticheat, same company that hasnt had an anticheat good enough in 1.3 , 1.5 , 1.6 , source or csgo. But they are doing it for CS2… he knows! 👏
MANKEY_MAD
Is this an old clip or something? Does this guy not understand how people perceive anti-cheat?
Why aren’t pro players competing on the leader board? Isn’t premier supposed to be the FaceIT killer, why are people still playing on that platform? Why did the anti-cheat falsely ban a ton of people for no reason about a month ago? Why is it possible for a person to trigger a false ban through high dpi, shouldn’t the anti cheat more sophisticated than that? This player in my lobby managed kill everyone on my team in under 5 seconds through the entire map for 13 rounds; why is the anti-cheat struggling to detect this severe exploitation?
Can you really blame players for always calling out cheats when their trust in the anti-cheat is this bad? Also this problem varies a lot player by player because of a player’s rating and trust score.
AllBlueReverie
I mean he’s being fair and reasonable lol
thrwwyMA
What is this account that seems to only serve the purpose of posting controversial RL takes lol
kriswithakthatplays
In my time in CS2, I have had more people accuse other legitimate players of cheating than actual cheaters; of which I have encountered 0 obvious cheaters. I have been consistently out skilled, and the poor ranking system has a lot to do with that and the frustrations I have with the game, but a pool of cheaters I have not encountered, not once.
If you come on this subreddit and constantly bemoan cheaters, it’s more likely to be you that’s the problem.
SpecialityToS
Getting global was just a badge on your profile.
Getting top 1k on a leaderboard that’s permanent and you get to go back and see it there forever.
These are the same to Richard Lewis.
Valve copied Valorant without understanding how much effort Riot puts into their anti-cheat systems from the ground up.
Mjays34
Richard spittin facts as usual. People will call cheats in every instance possible, it’d make you think mm is ransacked with cheaters. I’ve got 100 wins in premier 19k elo and I’ve only ran into a handful of cheaters, 0 being the blatant spin bot type that apparently plagues the upper bracket of the leaderboard
chypres
Has he even seen the major qualifier? LMAO
AccountNervous
I am around 18 k elo and played 110 games.
I saw only one cheater in 110 games but at the same time got accused of cheating round about 30 times… so yeah
Tomico86
A non existent anti-cheat is the problem.
xxrandom98xx
Maybe we wouldn’t have to question there being a cheater in every game if valve would just make a kernel anti cheat that works…instead of this delayed cat & mouse game where there’s a ‘wave’ of bans every few months.
Vac live obviously isn’t working..had someone tell us in chat they were cheating before the game even started, and then proceeded to drop 62 kills on us, mostly through walls, with 95% hs. Still isn’t banned a week later..
zkillbill
The sheer volume of cases where my nooby ass has been called a cheater and where my teammates have accused legit enemy team as cheater really makes me agree with this.
Prabhably
everyone complaining in the comments is 25k elo and get rage hacked against every game lol. Doubt you’re all in the top 1% of the players distribution.
usernameisvery
He is right. It’s a law of CS, people can’t accept that they’re shit. It’s always someone else’s fault.
_zxionix_
Sub won’t like this
MrSully89
does richard play cs? genuine question
Montystumpp
Almost every game I play someone on my team claims someone on the enemy team is cheating and they almost never actually are.
Cheating is definitely a problem but I agree people are heavily overestimating the amount of people who do it.
guibw
I was watching boltz playing premier on a daily basis and 50% of his matches had someone spinning with scouts
Zikii19
It’s the same BS as it was with GO when worse players have to play against stronger opposition, it’s always cheats in their opinion and not just better players. The rank disparity is much more noticeable in CS2 as elo cisn’t calibrated well enough and the player base is delusional.
I agree that rage-hacking is more common in CS2 than in GO, but the number of times people accuse opponents who are simply better players is astonishing. It doesn’t help that these opinions spread like wildfire in this subreddit and on Twitter etc. where the average player doesn’t even know the basics of the game but still confidently calls opponents cheaters.
It’s similar in every game where it creates echo chambers for these accusations and makes the issue seem far worse than it is in reality. It doesn’t help that the major qualifiers are run with shit AC which creates far more problems than fixes.
Skropex
Ya hes right. Like he is most of the time if you guys would be honest with yourselves
skottyy
Im 22k atm and its unplayable, so many cheaters its fucking insane
billballbills
The issue is, cheating to so common that you’re natural reaction starts to become “oh he’s cheating”. I’m aware that I’m often wrong and and I hate that I often feel that way, but it’s a direct consequence of having so many experiences with blatant cheaters, both on my team and my opponent’s
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does he even play the game?
Lmao his entire opinion on this topic is based on Reddit and Twitter. He doesn’t even play the game
He’s not wrong. The amount of bad players that just call cheats on anyone who kills them or does a crazy play is too high.
If I stopped getting called a cheater while I’m also playing like shit then I’d be a bit quicker to believe more people on here that there is a cheating problem, but I personally have only seen 1 cheater while playing in both 10k and 20k elo
The issue might not even be that there are more cheaters, it’s true, there might not be – but what there was for sure was essentially a reset on the “trust system” where everybody seemingly got the same trust level.
So while before some players in bad trust would get cheaters constantly, and some players would barely get any cheaters at all – now the cheaters are evenly distributed through the entire playerbase which makes the problem way more obvious.
**As a disclaimer:** I **DO NOT** ^(**DO NOT**) think that the trust system is a good system or a solution at all. From day 1 I think it’s a cop out bullshit system that valve threw together to try and mask the problem without actually fixing the problem. Dumping the entireity of scumbag cheaters on a specific portion of the playerbase is a shit play around by Valve, it’s especially a shit play around by Valve when you consider that pretty much every new player will start in the “low ranks” of trust factor, and, as such, new players will have a far higher chance of getting scumbags which makes a game like CS (which is already a pretty hard game to get into) even more challenging for these people.
So, fuck the trust system, it was never a good solution to begin with.
If I get rek’d by a normal account I agree. I’m just not that good. But getting owned by new accounts with only a few hundreds of hours, 2 medals (service medal 2023 & csgo), close to 0 friends, no skins and they’re carrying their 24k elo friend… this happens way too often in Premier mode. Everytime I check demo, I can see them walling and aimbotting. But as always, this is RL and he wants us to disagree otherwise he’ll become irrelevant.
no cheaters says man living on 10 kilos of copium
If you had “the data” on cheaters then you wouldn’t have cheaters.
Very silly take.
The level of cheaters may not of increased but the trust factor system must of been fucked or something as I rarely got cheaters in csgo global EU MM but around 25k premier elo it seems almost a cheater 1 in 5 games.
Definietely worse cheater experience in CS2 than it was in CSGO MM at least from my POV.
EDIT: Plus the amount of one medal accounts and sus accounts also I go against is much higher in cs2 which leads me to believe the trust factor is fucked
EggHead guy doesnt believe there is a bigger number of cheaters in CS2 because now there is a leaderboard that shows your name, account, profile and rank to the whole world for everyone who ever plays CS2.
He thinks people cared just as much “to get Global” in CSGO. 🤦♂️
Same guy said he is sure Valve is working on a revolutionary anticheat, same company that hasnt had an anticheat good enough in 1.3 , 1.5 , 1.6 , source or csgo. But they are doing it for CS2… he knows! 👏
Is this an old clip or something? Does this guy not understand how people perceive anti-cheat?
Why aren’t pro players competing on the leader board? Isn’t premier supposed to be the FaceIT killer, why are people still playing on that platform? Why did the anti-cheat falsely ban a ton of people for no reason about a month ago? Why is it possible for a person to trigger a false ban through high dpi, shouldn’t the anti cheat more sophisticated than that? This player in my lobby managed kill everyone on my team in under 5 seconds through the entire map for 13 rounds; why is the anti-cheat struggling to detect this severe exploitation?
Can you really blame players for always calling out cheats when their trust in the anti-cheat is this bad? Also this problem varies a lot player by player because of a player’s rating and trust score.
I mean he’s being fair and reasonable lol
What is this account that seems to only serve the purpose of posting controversial RL takes lol
In my time in CS2, I have had more people accuse other legitimate players of cheating than actual cheaters; of which I have encountered 0 obvious cheaters. I have been consistently out skilled, and the poor ranking system has a lot to do with that and the frustrations I have with the game, but a pool of cheaters I have not encountered, not once.
If you come on this subreddit and constantly bemoan cheaters, it’s more likely to be you that’s the problem.
Getting global was just a badge on your profile.
Getting top 1k on a leaderboard that’s permanent and you get to go back and see it there forever.
These are the same to Richard Lewis.
Valve copied Valorant without understanding how much effort Riot puts into their anti-cheat systems from the ground up.
Richard spittin facts as usual. People will call cheats in every instance possible, it’d make you think mm is ransacked with cheaters. I’ve got 100 wins in premier 19k elo and I’ve only ran into a handful of cheaters, 0 being the blatant spin bot type that apparently plagues the upper bracket of the leaderboard
Has he even seen the major qualifier? LMAO
I am around 18 k elo and played 110 games.
I saw only one cheater in 110 games but at the same time got accused of cheating round about 30 times… so yeah
A non existent anti-cheat is the problem.
Maybe we wouldn’t have to question there being a cheater in every game if valve would just make a kernel anti cheat that works…instead of this delayed cat & mouse game where there’s a ‘wave’ of bans every few months.
Vac live obviously isn’t working..had someone tell us in chat they were cheating before the game even started, and then proceeded to drop 62 kills on us, mostly through walls, with 95% hs. Still isn’t banned a week later..
The sheer volume of cases where my nooby ass has been called a cheater and where my teammates have accused legit enemy team as cheater really makes me agree with this.
everyone complaining in the comments is 25k elo and get rage hacked against every game lol. Doubt you’re all in the top 1% of the players distribution.
He is right. It’s a law of CS, people can’t accept that they’re shit. It’s always someone else’s fault.
Sub won’t like this
does richard play cs? genuine question
Almost every game I play someone on my team claims someone on the enemy team is cheating and they almost never actually are.
Cheating is definitely a problem but I agree people are heavily overestimating the amount of people who do it.
I was watching boltz playing premier on a daily basis and 50% of his matches had someone spinning with scouts
It’s the same BS as it was with GO when worse players have to play against stronger opposition, it’s always cheats in their opinion and not just better players. The rank disparity is much more noticeable in CS2 as elo cisn’t calibrated well enough and the player base is delusional.
I agree that rage-hacking is more common in CS2 than in GO, but the number of times people accuse opponents who are simply better players is astonishing. It doesn’t help that these opinions spread like wildfire in this subreddit and on Twitter etc. where the average player doesn’t even know the basics of the game but still confidently calls opponents cheaters.
It’s similar in every game where it creates echo chambers for these accusations and makes the issue seem far worse than it is in reality. It doesn’t help that the major qualifiers are run with shit AC which creates far more problems than fixes.
Ya hes right. Like he is most of the time if you guys would be honest with yourselves
Im 22k atm and its unplayable, so many cheaters its fucking insane
The issue is, cheating to so common that you’re natural reaction starts to become “oh he’s cheating”. I’m aware that I’m often wrong and and I hate that I often feel that way, but it’s a direct consequence of having so many experiences with blatant cheaters, both on my team and my opponent’s