I guess I will continue my 12 year streak of not owning a dragon dogma game
tenamonth
There is also no option to start a New Game. Once you do it the first time, that’s it, that’s your only character until you beat the game. Unless you muck about with game files and disable cloud saves and a bunch of other stuff.
KleitosD06
Welp, guess I’m buying Rise of the Ronin instead.
Glad that decision was made for me. This really sucks for Dragon’s Dogma fans though.
Leather39
They really tried to pull fast one with these micro transactions for unpolished 70$ singleplayer game, shameful
wassupitsyaboi
It’s not even just the microtransactions. The performance is genuinely jarring. I was watching a few streamers play and half of them kept crashing within the first 10 min of loading the game. The stuttering was also very noticeable with frame drops every few seconds
chuewwey
Out of all the upcoming games this year Dragons Dogma 2 was the last one I expected to be filled with Microtransation bs and a buggy mess, especially since from my understanding Dragons Dogma 1 was a passion project
MegaManZer0
“Review bombing”
No, it’s what happens when you release an unoptimized, $70 single player game with DRM and microtransactions.
Altiondsols
Players independently deciding to review a game negatively because they don’t like the experience of playing the game is not “review bombing”
argen0220
I dont have a PS5 or Gaming PC so I cant really play this game but I saw a post complaining about the character edit being a microtransaction.
Hasnt been capcom doing this for a while now? MHW and MHR both sell character edit vouchers, did people complain about it too?
Fit_Librarian_8024
Lol let me find out the masses over hyped yet another one.
OperationExpress8794
Bombing
PitchforksEnthusiast
OP doesnt know what review bombing is…
LinusSexTipsWasTaken
Never liked dragons dogma so im weirdly glad that it bombed
bobthemutant
Forced server side saves for a single player game is a deal breaker.
Even if you make the argument that all the MtX items can be farmed in-game, regardless of how easy, the game as a whole was structured around those MtXs existing.
The game is intentionally disrespectful of your time to encourage paying.
peeyoob
I’m typically pessimistic when it comes to modern gaming because I’ve been burned so much and so often, but this was the one time I let myself be excited for an upcoming release. The performance is horrendous from poor optimization plus the Denuvo debuff and the microtransactions just leave a sour taste in my mouth. I was genuinely so bummed when I refunded it. Capcom was on such a good streak too and the recent news of salary increases was great. It sucks that this was such a miss.
--Pariah
I’m not a fan of calling it review bombing.
I associate this with, like, a negative exaggeration when an otherwise decent game gets bombed because it has server issues on launch day or something all in all “temporary” that’s usually resolved in a short time.
The money milking machine and the technical state on PC are legitimate issues that will be around for a while. Seems like they just fucked up and get their fair response from players. I’m more pissed with the official reviews before launch of a version that didn’t have the MTX fiesta in, kind of misleading.
Wazards
Did yall never play a single Capcom game recently or the first dragons dogma. All of it. ALL OF IT can be earned for free extremely easily. This is purely for whale type players and one of the game was built around pushing transactions. However I still think it’s bs that it even exists and the piss poor performance is inexcusable
driftking428
Please don’t buy this game. Take a stand.
Bortthog
I wonder how many people actually look at what the dlc is and who even played DD1
Anyone without room temperature IQ can look at these items and know it’s all in game stuff anyway that just helps whales
OppositeofDeath
This is a really interesting and unfortunate case.
So, the items that you can buy through microtransactions, including the ability to change your character’s appearance, can be obtained easily in game. But because Capcom had the gall to make it a microtransaction, and it’s a relatively obscure mechanic in a game full of obscure and subtle mechanics, people are piling on that it’s the only way to obtain items. Other Capcom games like RE4 and DMC5 also had very similar microtransactions, as when you delved into them, you could see that everything was easily attainable if you played the game naturally, and furthermore that buying those items would ruin the flow of the game, which usually feels so natural that if the microtransactions weren’t on the store page, you would never had thought anything was amiss.This dissonance is exacerbated by how microtransactions items in most games are usually portrayed as “fenced off” from regular gameplay methods of obtaining them. So even though DD2 doesn’t have this worse method, it’s still getting the heat from those other games’ methods because of its store page’s visual quantity of available microtransactions.
They also try to sell you Port Crystals, the items used to create teleportation points in the world for easier navigation, in the microtransactions, which characterizes the game’s mechanics horribly purely because this possible sell exists. As someone who loves DD1 and is fresh to DD2, I can tell you that the trek from place to place is a fun kind of grueling experience, if you’re into that. The difficulty and the length of trips are meant to wear on your character and you the player to an extent. But because this micro transaction exists, it comes across to most people who are unfamiliar with DD to assume this is gouging they to spend money to make the game easier, as it would appear it’s treks are long to push you into paying to make it easier, rather than because that’s this game’s legitimate version of fun. But now that the travel factor can be manipulated in such a way, and even with the knowledge of how the game naturally would play without it, how could you help but feel like you’re having a compromised experience? (Game critics not having to deal with any of the microtransactions in the pre-launch purity are going to be fielding a lot of criticism on their end too I imagine now.)
And then we come to performance. Most people only see the standard, “why is this only reach around 30fps, it’s not the most impressive looking game.” Most are missing the complexity of he game’s AI under the surface. All at once, the game is factoring in the behavior and priorities of your 3 pawns, any pawns you could encounter in the world, the adaptive dynamics of NPC’s in the world, and the threat response of all of these people at the same time (And I’ve left a lot of other factors out most likely.) With all this in mind, consider that you could lure a monster back to a town, and then the 20 or so townsfolk AI will have to now be considered alongside normal battle factors. They’re ALOT going on under the hood. There are definitely engines better suited to handling complex AI patterns so they don’t wear on performance as much, but even a lot of those games are pushing your platform of choice to their limits a lot of the time. A sad fact seems to be that games for a while now have focused on looking great rather than performing complex AI calculations. A recent example: Baldur’s Gate 3 has had notorious performance drop offs in its 3rd act, because of the amount of reactive NPCs in those environments. There’s not much that Larian can do to make this run better, as it’s tied/limited by CPU, which is not a priority over graphics. It’s easier to sell a better looking game than having to explain why a worse looking game is impressive under the hood. Do you want a Lamborghini? Or a more modest muscle car that can take turns better because of better tuning? (That last part is a bit my opinion, so take that as you will.) So to most, it’s just a hard thing to have to explain that their PS5 can’t handle complex game AI operations. The RE Engine isn’t made for that or open worlds on top of this it seems.
And so with all of that, by tomorrow I imagine we’re in for a Perfect Shit-Storm of obscure game mechanics, nerve-targeting microtransactions, and a deluge of misinformation spouting from an internet fight between fans, new players, critics, people who actually are stating the truth out there, and eventually Capcom itself as they are forced to respond in some way. It’s a shitty, shitty, shitty mess, and though you could still play the game in a mostly pure way, I can’t defend Capcom really because they really can’t complain when they put all these unnecessary fucking shovels out and expect people not to dig their grave for them.
mbrodie
It’s not review bombing when the complaints are valid
East_Home_4107
Yeah capcom flopped here usually their games are optimized what happened? Anyways bring me DMC6 & RE5 Remake🤩
JP297
When a game gets bad reviews, that does not mean it’s a review bomb. There are very valid reasons for the negative reviews.
roguerogueroguerogue
Review bombing being used an excuse for a low score is pathetic.
Actual review bombing is rare.
amniion
Shit like this being called “review bombing” when the bad reviews are from a juatified place of complaint is really annoying
ACorania
So… here is my problem. There seems to be a trade in youtube and other channels in dogging on a game that comes out and people are excited about it. I have been loving some of the games that they did this with. This would lead me to think I should still try this game.
On the other hand, I really hate microtransactions… but can I just ignore them? ugh.
ColdVait
Fuck these assholes trying to normalize shitty practices. Time to shout to the void once again to stop buying these shitty games.
Ameliandras
It’s not fucking review bombing when there are real things to criticize. This term has lost all meaning because it never gets used in the right context.
CambriaKilgannonn
Copying and pasting a review from steam: **Anti-consumer Practices** A review embargo was in place until the Release Date. A list of Pay-to-Win items appeared on the store page on the Release Date. Pre-order exclusives (now unavailable) were attached to the Release Date.
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**Pay-to-Win Items** Portcrystal – Warp Location Marker Obtain a Portcrystal, which can be set at a destination of your choice. Use a Ferrystone to instantly transport your party to the Portcrystal’s location. Wakestone – Restore the dead to life! Gain one Wakestone, a stone ensorceled with miraculous magick. Formed of Wakestone shards, it holds the power to restore the dead to life once. [X] Rift Crystals – Points to Spend Beyond the Rift Gain [X] rift crystals, which can be used to hire pawns or purchase special items.
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**Unable to Create Another Character** There is no option in game to start again or delete the current save file. Once you create a character, you are stuck with your created character and must purchase Art of Metamorphosis – Character Editor to change it. I looked online for ways to delete save files on PC, but I was unable to delete Cloud Saves from logging into Steam on a browser. After deleting a save file on your PC, the Cloud Save will replace the deleted save file.
Elbren
Can we please stop calling shit like this “review bombing?” It’s not “review bombing” when said product DESERVES the negative reviews. They put out a shit product at FULL PRICE and filled it with terrible microtransactions, so the public responding accordingly … by giving honest reviews and downvoting that shit back into the shadow realm.
ShiningEnigma
Dragons Dogshit. So much fuss over yet another time killer.
BadiBadiBadi
HOW IS THAT REVIEW BOMBING???
Capcom literwlly killed the game with the worst performance of the generation and all this talk about making traveling fun only to drop fast travel as microtransactions
that just just reviewing
Kurohimiko
We waited 12 years for this crap. I feel empty inside.
ProtonPi314
Sad, I didn’t even know this game was coming out until this week. It looked awesome, and I was looking forward to release to see what people had to say. Now all I see is greed and a team that does not GAF about putting out a great fake that’s a lot of fun, but instead a fake that’s designed to screw you out of every dollar it can.
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I guess I will continue my 12 year streak of not owning a dragon dogma game
There is also no option to start a New Game. Once you do it the first time, that’s it, that’s your only character until you beat the game. Unless you muck about with game files and disable cloud saves and a bunch of other stuff.
Welp, guess I’m buying Rise of the Ronin instead.
Glad that decision was made for me. This really sucks for Dragon’s Dogma fans though.
They really tried to pull fast one with these micro transactions for unpolished 70$ singleplayer game, shameful
It’s not even just the microtransactions. The performance is genuinely jarring. I was watching a few streamers play and half of them kept crashing within the first 10 min of loading the game. The stuttering was also very noticeable with frame drops every few seconds
Out of all the upcoming games this year Dragons Dogma 2 was the last one I expected to be filled with Microtransation bs and a buggy mess, especially since from my understanding Dragons Dogma 1 was a passion project
“Review bombing”
No, it’s what happens when you release an unoptimized, $70 single player game with DRM and microtransactions.
Players independently deciding to review a game negatively because they don’t like the experience of playing the game is not “review bombing”
I dont have a PS5 or Gaming PC so I cant really play this game but I saw a post complaining about the character edit being a microtransaction.
Hasnt been capcom doing this for a while now? MHW and MHR both sell character edit vouchers, did people complain about it too?
Lol let me find out the masses over hyped yet another one.
Bombing
OP doesnt know what review bombing is…
Never liked dragons dogma so im weirdly glad that it bombed
Forced server side saves for a single player game is a deal breaker.
Even if you make the argument that all the MtX items can be farmed in-game, regardless of how easy, the game as a whole was structured around those MtXs existing.
The game is intentionally disrespectful of your time to encourage paying.
I’m typically pessimistic when it comes to modern gaming because I’ve been burned so much and so often, but this was the one time I let myself be excited for an upcoming release. The performance is horrendous from poor optimization plus the Denuvo debuff and the microtransactions just leave a sour taste in my mouth. I was genuinely so bummed when I refunded it. Capcom was on such a good streak too and the recent news of salary increases was great. It sucks that this was such a miss.
I’m not a fan of calling it review bombing.
I associate this with, like, a negative exaggeration when an otherwise decent game gets bombed because it has server issues on launch day or something all in all “temporary” that’s usually resolved in a short time.
The money milking machine and the technical state on PC are legitimate issues that will be around for a while. Seems like they just fucked up and get their fair response from players. I’m more pissed with the official reviews before launch of a version that didn’t have the MTX fiesta in, kind of misleading.
Did yall never play a single Capcom game recently or the first dragons dogma. All of it. ALL OF IT can be earned for free extremely easily. This is purely for whale type players and one of the game was built around pushing transactions. However I still think it’s bs that it even exists and the piss poor performance is inexcusable
Please don’t buy this game. Take a stand.
I wonder how many people actually look at what the dlc is and who even played DD1
Anyone without room temperature IQ can look at these items and know it’s all in game stuff anyway that just helps whales
This is a really interesting and unfortunate case.
So, the items that you can buy through microtransactions, including the ability to change your character’s appearance, can be obtained easily in game. But because Capcom had the gall to make it a microtransaction, and it’s a relatively obscure mechanic in a game full of obscure and subtle mechanics, people are piling on that it’s the only way to obtain items. Other Capcom games like RE4 and DMC5 also had very similar microtransactions, as when you delved into them, you could see that everything was easily attainable if you played the game naturally, and furthermore that buying those items would ruin the flow of the game, which usually feels so natural that if the microtransactions weren’t on the store page, you would never had thought anything was amiss.This dissonance is exacerbated by how microtransactions items in most games are usually portrayed as “fenced off” from regular gameplay methods of obtaining them. So even though DD2 doesn’t have this worse method, it’s still getting the heat from those other games’ methods because of its store page’s visual quantity of available microtransactions.
They also try to sell you Port Crystals, the items used to create teleportation points in the world for easier navigation, in the microtransactions, which characterizes the game’s mechanics horribly purely because this possible sell exists. As someone who loves DD1 and is fresh to DD2, I can tell you that the trek from place to place is a fun kind of grueling experience, if you’re into that. The difficulty and the length of trips are meant to wear on your character and you the player to an extent. But because this micro transaction exists, it comes across to most people who are unfamiliar with DD to assume this is gouging they to spend money to make the game easier, as it would appear it’s treks are long to push you into paying to make it easier, rather than because that’s this game’s legitimate version of fun. But now that the travel factor can be manipulated in such a way, and even with the knowledge of how the game naturally would play without it, how could you help but feel like you’re having a compromised experience? (Game critics not having to deal with any of the microtransactions in the pre-launch purity are going to be fielding a lot of criticism on their end too I imagine now.)
And then we come to performance. Most people only see the standard, “why is this only reach around 30fps, it’s not the most impressive looking game.” Most are missing the complexity of he game’s AI under the surface. All at once, the game is factoring in the behavior and priorities of your 3 pawns, any pawns you could encounter in the world, the adaptive dynamics of NPC’s in the world, and the threat response of all of these people at the same time (And I’ve left a lot of other factors out most likely.) With all this in mind, consider that you could lure a monster back to a town, and then the 20 or so townsfolk AI will have to now be considered alongside normal battle factors. They’re ALOT going on under the hood. There are definitely engines better suited to handling complex AI patterns so they don’t wear on performance as much, but even a lot of those games are pushing your platform of choice to their limits a lot of the time. A sad fact seems to be that games for a while now have focused on looking great rather than performing complex AI calculations. A recent example: Baldur’s Gate 3 has had notorious performance drop offs in its 3rd act, because of the amount of reactive NPCs in those environments. There’s not much that Larian can do to make this run better, as it’s tied/limited by CPU, which is not a priority over graphics. It’s easier to sell a better looking game than having to explain why a worse looking game is impressive under the hood. Do you want a Lamborghini? Or a more modest muscle car that can take turns better because of better tuning? (That last part is a bit my opinion, so take that as you will.) So to most, it’s just a hard thing to have to explain that their PS5 can’t handle complex game AI operations. The RE Engine isn’t made for that or open worlds on top of this it seems.
And so with all of that, by tomorrow I imagine we’re in for a Perfect Shit-Storm of obscure game mechanics, nerve-targeting microtransactions, and a deluge of misinformation spouting from an internet fight between fans, new players, critics, people who actually are stating the truth out there, and eventually Capcom itself as they are forced to respond in some way. It’s a shitty, shitty, shitty mess, and though you could still play the game in a mostly pure way, I can’t defend Capcom really because they really can’t complain when they put all these unnecessary fucking shovels out and expect people not to dig their grave for them.
It’s not review bombing when the complaints are valid
Yeah capcom flopped here usually their games are optimized what happened? Anyways bring me DMC6 & RE5 Remake🤩
When a game gets bad reviews, that does not mean it’s a review bomb. There are very valid reasons for the negative reviews.
Review bombing being used an excuse for a low score is pathetic.
Actual review bombing is rare.
Shit like this being called “review bombing” when the bad reviews are from a juatified place of complaint is really annoying
So… here is my problem. There seems to be a trade in youtube and other channels in dogging on a game that comes out and people are excited about it. I have been loving some of the games that they did this with. This would lead me to think I should still try this game.
On the other hand, I really hate microtransactions… but can I just ignore them? ugh.
Fuck these assholes trying to normalize shitty practices. Time to shout to the void once again to stop buying these shitty games.
It’s not fucking review bombing when there are real things to criticize. This term has lost all meaning because it never gets used in the right context.
Copying and pasting a review from steam:
**Anti-consumer Practices**
A review embargo was in place until the Release Date.
A list of Pay-to-Win items appeared on the store page on the Release Date.
Pre-order exclusives (now unavailable) were attached to the Release Date.
​
**Pay-to-Win Items**
Portcrystal – Warp Location Marker
Obtain a Portcrystal, which can be set at a destination of your choice. Use a Ferrystone to instantly transport your party to the Portcrystal’s location.
Wakestone – Restore the dead to life!
Gain one Wakestone, a stone ensorceled with miraculous magick. Formed of Wakestone shards, it holds the power to restore the dead to life once.
[X] Rift Crystals – Points to Spend Beyond the Rift
Gain [X] rift crystals, which can be used to hire pawns or purchase special items.
​
**Unable to Create Another Character**
There is no option in game to start again or delete the current save file.
Once you create a character, you are stuck with your created character and must purchase Art of Metamorphosis – Character Editor to change it.
I looked online for ways to delete save files on PC, but I was unable to delete Cloud Saves from logging into Steam on a browser.
After deleting a save file on your PC, the Cloud Save will replace the deleted save file.
Can we please stop calling shit like this “review bombing?” It’s not “review bombing” when said product DESERVES the negative reviews. They put out a shit product at FULL PRICE and filled it with terrible microtransactions, so the public responding accordingly … by giving honest reviews and downvoting that shit back into the shadow realm.
Dragons Dogshit. So much fuss over yet another time killer.
HOW IS THAT REVIEW BOMBING???
Capcom literwlly killed the game with the worst performance of the generation and all this talk about making traveling fun only to drop fast travel as microtransactions
that just just reviewing
We waited 12 years for this crap. I feel empty inside.
Sad, I didn’t even know this game was coming out until this week. It looked awesome, and I was looking forward to release to see what people had to say. Now all I see is greed and a team that does not GAF about putting out a great fake that’s a lot of fun, but instead a fake that’s designed to screw you out of every dollar it can.